US Diesel's big splash introduction

[yrwei52]

⋯ More than diesel I am waiting to see range extender EV with rotary engine. That's interesting. 2020 is debatable though.

EV is not a true zero-emission vehicle as it basically transfers emissions to power plants. In smaller countries such as Taiwan they have a hard time transforming coal power plants (air pollutions) and nuclear power plants (nuclear wastes) to renewables as the available land is very limited. More EVs means more coal and natural gas power plants are needed resulting more air pollutions especially the CO2!

Rotary engine? It's burning oil by design similar to 2-cycle engine. Rotary engine will produce more emissions than traditional 4-cycle engine hence there's no place for rotary engine in today's near zero-emission requirement.

 

[Red MC]

XC40 might be small but all cars are a compromise in some way. Pricing of 32k really hits mazda territory. That interior though and seats with safety tech makes it very compelling.

Pricing starts at $35,200 and goes over $45k. That's a bit more than CX-9 pricing. Not really a CX-5 alternative. I'm glad that Volvo is starting to make cars that appeal to drivers now. Before reinventing themselves as a luxury brand under Geely, they used to make godawful boring cars.

 

[Monterra]

Why not? Better resale value than a Mazda, at least. Makes it a smarter buy at least from that perspective, and I hear they have modern interiors that actually feature live traffic nav, apple and android carplay/auto (yes...even on the base models....OUCH!), etc...
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/santa-fe/specifications.aspx

^I meant Sante-fe sport btw..
Likely same reason I didn't choose it the first time (though it was a finalist) what I care about most is how it feels, how it corners, how it tracks, steering. I originally thought having another vehicle in the stable that better satisfies those needs than any appliance grade CUV could was sufficient and this one was just about A to B w/awd for cheap-ish (I begrudgingly went all the way up- GT/tech but so glad I did)- turns out it always matters most and the 2014 CX-5 GT did a hell of job re-convincing me of that in the wake of CR-V ownership which was generally positive. So while the other items might be nice (I'm google maps/traffic all the time btw) for me its all about the drive- not 0-60, not 1+g on the skidpad..feel- the feel of being really connected to what you're doing has been going out the window in favor of the automated save my life so I can focus on other things that matter in complete silence while driving set. Driving matters- yeah kool-aid whatever as much as I'm peeved at Mazda re the diesel if they stay to true to this ethos- they'll always be relevant to me- at least until we're not allowed to drive anymore!

 

[alphadog00]

Why not? Better resale value than a Mazda, at least. Makes it a smarter buy at least from that perspective, and I hear they have modern interiors that actually feature live traffic nav, apple and android carplay/auto (yes...even on the base models....OUCH!), etc...
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/santa-fe/specifications.aspx

Where do you get the better resale value statistic? If i configure like cars on KBB, the Mazda comes up higher then Hyndai.

Personal and family experience has shown much better reliability with mazda when compared to Kia or Hyundai. I have nothing against the other brands, but I haven't seen Hyundai with higher resale value then many other cars - except maybe compared to fleet cars.

 

[Kaps]

Where do you get the better resale value statistic? If i configure like cars on KBB, the Mazda comes up higher then Hyndai.

Personal and family experience has shown much better reliability with mazda when compared to Kia or Hyundai. I have nothing against the other brands, but I haven't seen Hyundai with higher resale value then many other cars - except maybe compared to fleet cars.

He once walked into his dealership and got a bad offer in under 10 mins. That is all the research we will ever need. So we all should agree that resale sucks.

 

[alphadog00]

He once walked into his dealership and got a bad offer in under 10 mins. That is all the research we will ever need. So we all should agree that resale sucks.

That must be it... i had the same issue with Lexus - dealer offered me crap for trade-in so i guess Lexus resale is bad.

 

[Kaps]

EV is not a true zero-emission vehicle as it basically transfers emissions to power plants. In smaller countries such as Taiwan they have a hard time transforming coal power plants (air pollutions) and nuclear power plants (nuclear wastes) to renewables as the available land is very limited. More EVs means more coal and natural gas power plants are needed resulting more air pollutions especially the CO2!

Rotary engine? It's burning oil by design similar to 2-cycle engine. Rotary engine will produce more emissions than traditional 4-cycle engine hence there's no place for rotary engine in today's near zero-emission requirement.

While wells to wheels emission is important you need to factor in:
Countries that don't have any oil and buy it: India
Emissions to move oil around the world.
Oil spills see one that happened off s. China sea recently.
Oil storage by speculators- fleets of carriers hoping for price to go up. Again emissions.

Electricity on the other hand is mostly local, and more importantly we can make it green - gas we can never do that.
I don't remember but recently a renewable firm outbid a fossil fuels giving better kwh rate and longer guarantee here in Texas and won.
More electric will force gas to be cheap- this pulls profits in people's pockets.
For EU cost is a big factor too. I cannot go full electric but from my FE posts you can guess I am all about smaller footprint.

 

[Kaps]

That must be it... i had the same issue with Lexus - dealer offered me crap for trade-in so i guess Lexus resale is bad.

Of course, sample size of 1 makes things simple, saves time.

 

[Monterra]

I think they've def gotten better(close to par)and I'm fairly certain the CX-5- its popularity and general solidity(at least with most of the hard bits) was quite helpful for both it and the brand as a whole.

 

[ColoradoDriver]

Personal and family experience has shown much better reliability with mazda when compared to Kia or Hyundai. I have nothing against the other brands, but I haven't seen Hyundai with higher resale value then many other cars - except maybe compared to fleet cars.

QFT.

My parents had a 2008 Hyundai Elantra that got totaled in probably 2011-2012ish. While for the most part it was reliable during that time, it was the little things. The sun visor broke, the countless rattles that popped up over those years from the roof and the dash, other little annoying things.

No problems like that in my Mazda.

 

[Monterra]

Sante fe sport ultimate 2.0T with awd is 38+k w/o tech and comes in at porky 4107lbs.. hard. pass. It is a half size larger still I suppose..Tucson I guess. I'll check it out.

 

[alphadog00]

QFT.

My parents had a 2008 Hyundai Elantra that got totaled in probably 2011-2012ish. While for the most part it was reliable during that time, it was the little things. The sun visor broke, the countless rattles that popped up over those years from the roof and the dash, other little annoying things.

No problems like that in my Mazda.

I think the current Hyundai and Kia are good cars. Older gen problems i am familiar with were all small things - no trans or engine issues. I don't want to paint them as bad cars. I think Mazdas are better, and I think the design, materials and resale value tend to support that.

They probably have better resale then many american cars - especially the ones that see fleet service - and with Chevy having 20% sales, not helping either.

 

[Unobtanium]

^I meant Sante-fe sport btw..
Likely same reason I didn't choose it the first time (though it was a finalist) what I care about most is how it feels, how it corners, how it tracks, steering. I originally thought having another vehicle in the stable that better satisfies those needs than any appliance grade CUV could was sufficient and this one was just about A to B w/awd for cheap-ish (I begrudgingly went all the way up- GT/tech but so glad I did)- turns out it always matters most and the 2014 CX-5 GT did a hell of job re-convincing me of that in the wake of CR-V ownership which was generally positive. So while the other items might be nice (I'm google maps/traffic all the time btw) for me its all about the drive- not 0-60, not 1+g on the skidpad..feel- the feel of being really connected to what you're doing has been going out the window in favor of the automated save my life so I can focus on other things that matter in complete silence while driving set. Driving matters- yeah kool-aid whatever as much as I'm peeved at Mazda re the diesel if they stay to true to this ethos- they'll always be relevant to me- at least until we're not allowed to drive anymore!

Well, they've already strayed with the 2017, as it got quieter, and doesn't do anything as well as the <16.5's in the handling department. You also lost an inch or so of ground clearance in exchange for WORSE handling.

 

[tibimakai]

The new Hyundai Santa Fe, will have diesel as well.
This Mazda diesel, starts to sound the same, as Android Auto, or Carplay.

 

[Unobtanium]

He once walked into his dealership and got a bad offer in under 10 mins. That is all the research we will ever need. So we all should agree that resale sucks.

Sorry if it's dated, as it's a 2013 award, but:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgor...s-that-return-top-resale-values/#7d0cccc919d0
Midsize Utility Vehicle – 2 Row: Hyundai Santa Fe Sport


Also, Click on "See Breakdown" to see how much value the vehicle loses in 5 years. Then compare that to MSRP. You will also note the Santa Fe incurs less repairs, and less maintenance costs. You have to add the CX5 to the comparo. I added the top of the line CX-5 as it came the closest to MSRP of the Santa Fe that populates. It didn't cost QUITE as much as the SF, but lost more value slightly. In addition to significantly more money spent on repairs and maintenance.
https://www.kbb.com/hyundai/santa-fe/2017/se-ownershipcosts/?vehicleid=415669&r=20894359993790300


I'm sorry if your precious Mazda retains value worse than a Hyundai. I can't help that. I wish I could
Maybe if it came with Android Auto or Apple Carplay or Live Traffic NAV or anything else cars managed to somehow have in them for the last decade? Radar NAV is cool. Chrysler did it in the late 2000's, but whatever. Piss poor market performance, Mazda. Sorry.

Oh, I can't wait until the "But Hyundai must have bribed the US to get a Diesel here! But they have SO MUCH MONEY! But they are UPscale!" I just cannot WAIT to hear how Mazda fans decry the fact that Hyundai could pull it off without issue when theirs drops in North America.

 

[Puyapim]

The new Hyundai Santa Fe, will have diesel as well.
This Mazda diesel, starts to sound the same, as Android Auto, or Carplay.

This has been announced but until they hit the ports I would throw a pound of salt at this story. Everyone is suffering from the diesel fiasco.

 

[Unobtanium]

This has been announced but until they hit the ports I would throw a pound of salt at this story. Everyone is suffering from the diesel fiasco.

Hyundai actually has a history of delivering exactly what they say, though, so there's that...They have already finalized everything, too. Looks way better than Mazda's specs.

If buyers want torque, they can always opt for the new 2.2-liter CRDi turbodiesel I-4 that makes about 200 hp at 3,000 rpm and 320 lb-ft at 1,750 rpm. All engines come mated to a new in-house-designed eight-speed automatic transmission and will have the option of HTRAC all-wheel drive.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2019-hyundai-santa-fe-diesel-u-s/


Awwwwwww shiiiiitttt boiiii!!!!! You ain't got NOTHIN' like this in that Mazduh!

Base Santa Fes receive a 7.0-inch infotainment screen that includes Android Auto and Apple CarPlay as standard, as well as Qi wireless charging.

Lol, my Mazda does its job as an appliance very well so far, but I don't think I could ever buy another one watching them time and time again drop the ball. No thanks. '13-16 were their years to shine in the CUV world. Now? They're always a dollar short, a day late, and full of excuses for both.

Oh, and it looks like the CX9 just got muscled out as a 3rd row, too. Nice coupe de gras!

Though buyers will have to step up to the Santa Fe XL if they need three rows, the diesel Santa Fe will offer an optional “occasional-use” third row.

 

[Monterra]

I want that powertrain, no doubt but not @40k with 4100+ to shove around- although I'm sure it will do fine and return well north of 30 on the road.

 

[Puyapim]

Seems like we have a anti Mazda bot here. Why not answer a simple question rather than go crazy with negative drivel?

 

[Red MC]

Well, they've already strayed with the 2017, as it got quieter, and doesn't do anything as well as the <16.5's in the handling department. You also lost an inch or so of ground clearance in exchange for WORSE handling.

I don't agree with that. The 2017 seems a little more planted while cornering on rough roads that made the 2016.5 feel a little skittish. The steering seems to be tuned slightly better. And then there is G-vectoring.