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It's cheaper to do it all correctly the first time.
Twin Turbo
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Palartzski said:
ALL CARS CAN BE MADE FAST WITH ENOUGH CASH
If your looking for a inexpensive vehicle you can bolt on some parts for power cheap, your looking at the wrong car, Look at a civic
If you want a good quality car, that has alot of potential, but doesnt have alot of bolt on's, but you can get good results with carefull tuning and $$$, got a protege
There are great deals on them, but the engine needs work for power
To prep the engine for Hp cost.
Brian MP5T said:It's cheaper to do it all correctly the first time.
It looks scarry, were you racing and it blew? (if so) it might of been a turbo surge, I heard a buy had his Mazdaspeed on 12 psi, but it surged to like 17 or something, and kablewie, his s*** went bang.
When did it happen?
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http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84161 (rockon)Gen3ProLx said:
Brian MP5T said:
Wasnt there a monumental battle with some guy about this very thing......
forging the internals and stuff like that. This guy said something about the engine being too week & boosting too high would blow the engine, and everybody told him he was nuts, and he didnt take it very well....he freaked out.
but It looks like he was right.
In the sence the engine is week and if you dont forge your engine would blow
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Monumental...No.Gen3ProLx said:
Palartzski
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ok fine yeah i guess my wording was wrong, any car can be made fast. the whole forged internals makes complete sense to me. wat ive always been thinking to do with the protege is to mainly focus on forced induction, intake and exhaust, slight suspension (as in lowering it a bit), and then a few details with the looks like strobe lights, interior neon lights, alpine speakers and thats bout it. i want to keep the cars natural look (as in not putting a huge ass spoiler on it or anything like that). with the horsepower, somewhere around 200 would be nice. maybe 220-230. if i really could, 260. the least would have to be 200-210. im aiming to pay 10 grande for the car wen i get it if i can find one thats in a pleasing condition. if not 12-14 grande and if i really have to, 15 grande(15 is basically all my money that i have been saving). and believe me, ive seen proteges for all of these prices and they seemed believable. if you need anything more specific for the ods, lemme know. and what exactly does it mean for a car to have psi (per square inch)? what does it involve? o and by the way, thanks for all of the help so far. this forum actually knows wat its talking about unlike all the other car forums i used to be a part of.
Update: Aiming for my protege to look something like this .
Update: Aiming for my protege to look something like this .
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My friend...good to see someone younger than me here, welcome, and I'm pretty sure you could get a used MSP in that price range. And yes, if you plan on modding it heavily, go Forged Internals...PSI refers to the boost level of the turbo charger. On a stock engine in the MSP higher than 12 psi equals the picture BrianP5T showed you..lol blown motor. I'm sure while you're doing drivers ed and such, and researching here, you will know enough to mod an MSP nicely, and not blow it up, which is a very good thing. Another thing to know, the MSP has the same block as the regular protege 2.0L, so if you blow an engine, you can usually get a used block out of a wrecked car, and for a decent price. For starting though, I suggest getting yourself either A FMIC(front mount intercooler) and hardpipes(replaces plastci pipes with lots of restriction with smooth metal pipes) and those kits usually come with an upgraded Blow Off Valve, and a higher flow intake(or a cold air intake) or an upgraded SMIC(Side mount intercooler(stock location) usually a larger core size, or more effecient), also look into at the bare minimum a Boost/Vac Guage to watch your boost levels. Start off right with an Electronic Boost Controller, and boost MAX. 9psi(stay safe for the first while). Those mods there will cost a fair little shake, but will improve your cars effecientcy, and make it faster too...which is what you want. And with those pics you showed(being an almost completely stock MSP), you'd want either the Wings West Carbon Fibre Evo, or a VIS CF evo, or one of the countless other evo hoods on the market(search on here to check the quality, as, if it's on the market, someone here owns it, and has posted about it...and be warned, you'll be told to search about alot...got a question, do a quick seach and see if anything pops up right away), and you'll want some DGM CF eyelids. Lowering springs...there's lots...I might go with ION...springs is really in the eye of beholder...meaning stock feel VS better/worse ride quality with a lower profile etc...etc..handling...etc. The stereo that comes with the car is pretty good, so you'll be happy with that(nice head unit and speakers), though if your a fan of booming bass, take out the stock 8inch sub and put in a 10inch sub in wutever type of enclosure you prefer and accompany it with another amp.....I'm to tired to type anything else right now, but this should be good for starters(others will chime in anyways)...soo, good luck with everything, and way to start off your driving right by going through drivers ed...it will make a world of difference, and good start with a nice car. I'm sure your bro will help you out a bit with some things(which is cool)...have fun with the car, and be safe man....and word of advice for another soon to be FS-DE(thats the engine code) owner...don't boost too high on the stock internals...pay money ahead to save more money later...I suggest Oliver Rod and Piston Combo(do a search, they're all over here)...and PEACE
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I hope that helps a little..cause my eyes hurt, and my wrists are sore now...lol
DigitalHeadShot
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Well I hate to post what im about to say because I know the flames will come soon after that.. But you my friend, you have just discribed yourself an srt-4. Look for a used one around that price and a couple of mods you will power out the ass.
Seriously though, the msp isnt a power hungry car. It IS a champ right out of the lot. Sure you can improve but this car is so fickel its like modding a VW. Parts a rare compaired to other cars out there.
Just bare in mind if you want power and strobes I dont think this is the car your looking for. Its on a different level, its just kinnda its own beast (rockon) .
Seriously though, the msp isnt a power hungry car. It IS a champ right out of the lot. Sure you can improve but this car is so fickel its like modding a VW. Parts a rare compaired to other cars out there.
Just bare in mind if you want power and strobes I dont think this is the car your looking for. Its on a different level, its just kinnda its own beast (rockon) .
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Read Maximum Boost and ask all questions you have BEFORE starting anything. Rather be flamed than waste 10 Grand and end up with nothing.
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/\/\/\/\ Indeed that is true..and I think he's got the idea...even after beeing flamed by buttholes the whole first page, he still asked questions..some good ones too. He's starting in the right place..also, it's possible to get power out of this..all he wants is low 200hp...which is very acheivable in this car...the mods I suggested, plus a few others(some no brainers like better plugs to make safe of course), and he'd acheive his goal, plus have money for strobes and a CF hood...sooo, since thats what he wants, he can have it, and prolly in the price range he suggested tooo...so give the kid a break, he knows he not getting a hot-rod, but rather a nice little street warrior...I support you 100% man, and keep the questions firing, Brians right, questions now, safer, better mods later..and a happier driving/ownership experience..and you seem to understand the quality if hard work for money, which means you'll use your head a bit more than someone who has a car given to them. This is also part of a good start, you're getting off on the right foot in many ways, keep on trucking, and don't let the flames get you down man. oh Digitalheadshot, I think he likes the MSP, cause of the looks...something a stock srt-4 lacks...of course, he could always spend perf money making the car look good, and handle well..or spend money on perf with the speed...either way, both nice cars
DigitalHeadShot
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Hey I think its great he didnt fold under the pressure some of us asshats put on people. Yes he is learning and made an honest mistake HOWEVER he did learn and I say hats off to the little lad.
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indeed, us wee ones learn quickly(I'm just a youngin myself after all)DigitalHeadShot said:
DigitalHeadShot
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mazdaspeedpower said:
To clear the smoke im only 22 so I dont wanna hear old fart jokes (flame)
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I like fart Jokes...
Palartzski
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mazdaspeedpower said:
wow dude thanks a lot for ure help and encouragement. the srt-4 did one time come to mind. i thought about it but i never really liked (and still dont like) dodge in the first place. sure its got a ton of power but its hard to find one in the 10 grande range that doesnt need any repairs. also, i like how the msp looks more than the srt-4, which is an extra plus. sure parts for the protege will be harder to find but i think ill be able to manage. plus, ure never really gonna have a heavily modded car for ure FIRST car. ure first car is most likely not going to have the lambo doors, 19 inch spinner rims, and the 7,000 dollar turbo unless ure a lucky rich bastard. i chose he msp since i can still mildly mod it with the money that i have and it still gets a couple good looks on the street (or atleast i sure as hell did the first time i saw one). my next question would have to be how to realy get forged internals. are there certain parts that you have to get? welding? i really wouldnt be doing ne of this except if it was a strap on part and that would be from a family friend of mine who i would work with together. also, ne good places to look through to find some of the parts u mentioned?
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http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82136Palartzski said:
Here is all the info you need on where...
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83298
Here is Turfburns rebuild...
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Forged internals means u replace ur rods and pistons...all you need to do is remove the bottom end of the motor, and take the old ones(rods and pistons off of crankshaft) and putting new ones on...sounds simple...it's not..lol..a very expensive endevour. as for the other parts...check places like www.corksport.com www.hiboost.com (or www.hi-boost.com) http://**********.com www.protege5online.com www.essentialspeed.com www.ionperformance.com (if any are incorrect, let me know)umm, theres so many places out there, we really aren't that limited..just recently there was a whole thread on the multiple FMIC's and SMIC's..search FMIC for forged internals search Forged Internals(kinda obvious there...lol). Forged internals are not really 'strap on' parts, rather take engine out of car, take off bottom end, replace, reload, and put engine back in car...maybe you can do it with the engine in the car if you are a miracle workers, and Genie..lol..otherwise, engines gotta come out..big work...since you plan to only mildly mod, stay below 10psi(stock turbo), and before doing that, atleast get the hardpipes and either FMIC or SMIC, then you can boost 9psi somewhat safely(don't boost hard core in high end 5th..not that you need to be boosting at 200km/h anywayPalartzski said:
) then from there, get NGK colder plugs(I beleive corksport carries them...get these before you boost 9psi) then you can do some exhaust work(this really benifits the MSP). Those few basic mods(basically all breathgin mods-FMIC/SMIC, Plugs, Boost controller(and gauge)..i suggest Apexi AVC-R or Greddy Profec BII..and exhaust(from just a simple cat back to a full turboback..we beneift greatly from a Down Pipe..even with a stocker exhaust.) and with those mods, you'll be flying..seriously, much better performance..then from there, you can have some fun with the looks of the car(Lowering, hood, Tail-lights(don't get chrome Altezza..kinda ricey) Xenon lights, if you desire them Strobes and Neons(cannot drive around with these, these are a parking lot only toy..unless you want a moving violation aka ticket from the man)) and there ya go mate. Hope that helps some more...trying to help a fellow young driver..and remember, be safe...if ur gonna go fast, make sure its a clear road, and good conditions, make sure you know your car before you go fast...never street race unless you are beyond 100% sure the road is completely clear of all traffic and pedestrians(and cops), and never do double the speed limit or higher(they take your liscence and impound you car right away)...I could say don't go fast, but thats like putting weed and acid infront of a hippie and saying stay clean and watch these for me...lolEDIT* For looks and Carbon Fibre stuff..check www.dgmotorsports.com and www.vishoods.com also www.wingswest.com
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