***Turbo Performance Works Piggy Back Info***
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mrwizard9k
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will this work with the mx6's and probes? with little or no modification?
duMb KeoLa
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SUP PERF,
man...ive been watching all the threads you respond on and everything and you seem like you know everything you talk about....i had a couple different questions about this unit...first, whats shipping to hawaii??? hehehe, okay, also
2. i notice that with my turbo set up now and stock ecu, my car "dies/shutsdown" at about 136mph, will this piggy back eliminate that "governer"?
3. do we need to run a 6 injector set up? or can we just plug in the unit and go?
4. we only got 92 octane on the pumps here (thats the highest), what kinda bo0st do you think we can expect AND is this gas safe to run high bo0st?? i got an interco0ler set up
5. whats the benefit of running bigger injectors with this unit? or running 6 injectors, are you gonna have instructions on how to install this?
6. whats a 255lph pump? hehehe
7. i guess the biggest most important question is whats the benefits and disadvatages of having this over the microtech (besides the obvious price)...i mean, terry said this is basically between an fmu and standalone, well...whats the standalone got that this piggy back wont and vice versa
sorry for all the questions, just retarted at this kinda stuff...dont wanna blow my engine yet as they are only stock...im very interested in this and hope you can help me out with these questions, thanks
man...ive been watching all the threads you respond on and everything and you seem like you know everything you talk about....i had a couple different questions about this unit...first, whats shipping to hawaii??? hehehe, okay, also
2. i notice that with my turbo set up now and stock ecu, my car "dies/shutsdown" at about 136mph, will this piggy back eliminate that "governer"?
3. do we need to run a 6 injector set up? or can we just plug in the unit and go?
4. we only got 92 octane on the pumps here (thats the highest), what kinda bo0st do you think we can expect AND is this gas safe to run high bo0st?? i got an interco0ler set up
5. whats the benefit of running bigger injectors with this unit? or running 6 injectors, are you gonna have instructions on how to install this?
6. whats a 255lph pump? hehehe
7. i guess the biggest most important question is whats the benefits and disadvatages of having this over the microtech (besides the obvious price)...i mean, terry said this is basically between an fmu and standalone, well...whats the standalone got that this piggy back wont and vice versa
sorry for all the questions, just retarted at this kinda stuff...dont wanna blow my engine yet as they are only stock...im very interested in this and hope you can help me out with these questions, thanks
It does not reset anything. The piggyback will provide optimal timing parameters across the rpm band. It wont be aggressive like the MP3 on load (boosted) conditions like N/A operation. the ignition curve will follow the parameters set by the user or programmer so it can be changed at any time.Little Beavis said:
anything above 10 psi i would recommend a larger intank pump from an RX7 or eqivalent. An inline is good also but it is your own preference. the FMU will no longer be needed unless you want to run a little higher fuel pressure thru the system at all times under boost. My particular set up will still incorporate a BEGI unit for testing to see the efficiency of the stock injectors.
The O2 modifier can also be a thing of the past. We can control the input to the ecu from the O2 so it can be eliminated if need be.
now about the cel on the O2 and EGR systems.
we will controll the A/F ratio thru the stock 1rst sensor. The cel is coming from the rear sensor. I dont think we can clamp that voltage but i will find out. There is no reason why the guys running forced induction or anyone who removed the first cat cant extend the wires to the second sensor and put it behind a second cat of some sort. At this point it is the only logical fix.
Now in regards to the egr i will have to do some investigating. We may be able to get something for the boost sensor to eleviate that problem. Right now we havent come across any codes for the p5 yet so we will have to see. It really wont become an issue that we cant address and fix
it is only recommended if you plan on much higher boost levels and larger injectors.falkofire said:
better safe then sorry.
but the unit uses all the STOCK equipment so no you dont NEED any inline pump. just be aware that it will help your fuel system from being overstressed
my offer to yoiu from a couple of weeks ago via phone still stands if your interested. you know hwere to reach me. still waiting for S2K diagram so we can make sell some modules to the honda guysspoolinmp3 said:Nick looks nice
Maybe we can offer it as a stage 3.5 for our kits
i can almost feel the finger cramps coming from the length of this oneduMb KeoLa said:
J/K alright from the top in order.
1. thanks and i dont know off hand but i can find out about the shipping
2. well you dont have a govenor. it is mostly drag/power limited. i cant tell you that it will go faster but it will make you existing set up more efficient. youlll be able to run higher boost levels safely because the ignition aspect will be addressed and you can force more air and fuel into the cylinder. usually forced induction does not affect top speed but if you can increase your HP potential at or near the redline then it may very well improve how fast you at least get to that point
3.no. my set up will be the official tuning map. i will purposely keep my stock injectors for the simple fact that the module will come preprogrammed for those running stock fuel and ignition setups. then if you chose to go to larger injectors or extra injectors it will have a "beginners map" installed that can be fine tuned via laptop. it is a very simple system that anyone can tune once you get used to reading the charts it provides and "learn" the operation. but we will help you with online and personal support when you need it for upgrades.
4. boost pressures will depend also on the strength of your internals, ignition management, and driving habits.
we will have the managment covered so the hard part is done. we can tune the ignition map to the 92 octane fuel you use when you order. then you have a second map you can chose for race gas
boost pressures on stock internals i would not exeed 15psi and would feel comfortable at 12psi daily5.more HP potential by increasing boost levels and fuel supply to the engine. yes there will be plenty of instructions. you will also have online support where you may download a new map file from our database if you are having trouble remapping from preprogrammed values
6. its the highest rated pump you can get right now. it stands for 255 liters per hour
7. well thats where me and terry might differa little. it isnt exactly between a FMU and standalone equally.
it is much like a standalone in that i can control the entire vehicle ignition and fuel system but it uses the outputs from the stock ecu to convey the tasks. with a standa alone there are many drawbacks but many great features too. unfortunatley with the standalone if you dont have a compitent tuner available to you it can get difficult to have the car run right.
see its difficult to sit here and start picking things apart about different systems. the bottom line is that with a standalone you are completely removing the stock ecu from the loop and can basically control all the shots. but with todays stock ecus, they controll even when the dimmers come on in the dash, mileage counts, abs, traction control, many things that would take a about a week to go thru. the standalone will have to go a great transformation to run correctly one hundred percent of the time. the piggy back is there to "help" the stock ecu along to get your demands out of the vehicle you as it for.
now look there are alot of issues , pros and cons to standalones and such. i tried in lamens terms to state a few things. truethfully it will take a lenghthy discussion to bring everything out in the open about both systems.
my opinion is that for regualr everyday street use the piggyback is the way to go. IF you decide this is to be a special high performance only machine then the standalone can be tuned for max performance for the track
if you want to start another thread i can go into graet detail and specifics on why the piggyback is a better option and lay out pros and cons for both systems.
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mikesmazda155
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SHAWEET DUDE
Good job.
Good job.
duMb KeoLa
Member
okay perf, started it, heres the link, hopefully i will learn a lot about the differences between the two...thanks again for everything
http://woot.systemcrash.org/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21612
http://woot.systemcrash.org/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21612
