Truth about K-Sports?

[Salmon_Rob]

and you get what you pay for. you can choose which dampers you want, get custom valving, and 100% adjustability. they are a premium coilover. you have an entry level coilover, and while better than the ksports, they are no where near the same level as the awr's. they are nice, but they arent the same kind

 

[evilmonkeyMSP]

he didnt say the best for the value, he said the best period...

for the Price, TEINS SS coilover are better. i have them installed, and these things are heaven. i have no complains at all about them. AWR are atleast $ 600-700 more than the TEIN's..

 

[Salmon_Rob]

+1 timmy

and this is what tein says about their products:

(img courtesy of kansei)
we dont get their super awesome stuff, we get the two lowest models that they make. they do make coilovers comprable to the awrs, just not for us

 

[Shadow102]

no, the awrs are the best coilovers available for the protege lol

debatable but they are one of the best

 

[slappy240]

Its really hard for one person to say whats best if he hasnt tried everything. I have Tanabe Sustec S-OC Type II's , wich i really like , but im not going to say they are better than the TEIN Basics simply because ive never tried Tein Basics.

 

[low_psi]

moton & sachs or bust!!!

 

[Salmon_Rob]

moton & sachs or bust!!!

lol those are way out of most of us protege mortals price range

 

[Salmon_Rob]

Its really hard for one person to say whats best if he hasnt tried everything. I have Tanabe Sustec S-OC Type II's , wich i really like , but im not going to say they are better than the TEIN Basics simply because ive never tried Tein Basics.

i dont think you realize how limited our selection is and how slutty i am. ive been around ive driven on every set up mentioned except for moton and sachs

 

[turbolife]

i dont think you realize how limited our selection is and how slutty i am. ive been around ive driven on every set up mentioned except for moton and sachs

Which did you like best, since you've "ridden" them all? (thumb)

 

[Focus]

Which did you like best, since you've "ridden" them all? (thumb)

no, the awrs are the best coilovers available for the protege lol

 

[turbolife]

Thanks for helping the illiterate

 

[Salmon_Rob]

im teh sluttay

 

[a_ahmed]

^eew wtf lol

Hi guys Well I dont have a mazda.. in fact i have a nissan 240, i plan to run koni 8611s... thing is, having gone where ive gone if i were to travel back in time i would have gone with koni yellows instead of my current setup and then revalved/whatever and eventually as i am going to now, gone to koni 8611s... as 28s are out of any of our's pocket change range.

KSport and the likes maybe they improved their customer care but they are still sub-par...

As someone mentioned.. its as if everyone now a days gets some fancy cnc'd aluminum parts, anodized, groved in logos and adjustable height and 'coilover' all over it in appearance and suddenly its like having the top race damper anyone else can get... megans, the lower end tein stuff, ksport, stance... its all the same s***... unfortunately... but you get what you pay for... but cost per rewards i would go with koni yellow as entry than something like ksport, megan, stance... ah well.. anyways im waiting to get koni 8611s front and rear for my setup this summer hopefully... quite excited....

Having driven in a few different setups... you can definetely feel the difference in quality... heavy springs don't mean 'rough' and harsh ride necessarily... it depends on the dampers... like for example the crap im running kyb agx is like what.. something like 3-4ish kg/mm (progressive springs)... and its rough as hell.. and has a crap load of roll obviously.... i drove on some 'coilover' setup and it was really smooth and it was 9/7kg/mm springs non progressive... Drove in a koni equipped car... and its night and day some more... speaking of ksport.. it felt bouncy and roughish crap... and not consistent...

 

[ApexUMS]

I have been running Ksport Kontrol Pros for the last year on my Integra and have nothing but good things to say about them. For the money it is hard to beat them considering the features you get. I Track my car @ every NASA HPDE event in Arizona, so its not just street driving. I am switchin out to Ksports RR coilovers in the next few weeks. The RR version is basically the Kontrol Pro's with end user specified Spring Rates and Dampers valved to match. They come with shock dynos to show that you in fact getting quality parts. The great thing is that the cost is only a little more than the Kontrol Pros.

 

[Jeff@Tri-Point]

I have been running Ksport Kontrol Pros for the last year on my Integra and have nothing but good things to say about them. For the money it is hard to beat them considering the features you get. I Track my car @ every NASA HPDE event in Arizona, so its not just street driving. I am switchin out to Ksports RR coilovers in the next few weeks. The RR version is basically the Kontrol Pro's with end user specified Spring Rates and Dampers valved to match. They come with shock dynos to show that you in fact getting quality parts. The great thing is that the cost is only a little more than the Kontrol Pros.

Do you have a dyno graph that you can post up? Are the shocks labeled individually so you are assured the graphs are your shocks? Also how is K-sport figuring out what valving will work with spring rates on a particular car?

 

[Jeff@Tri-Point]

I just saw this on K-Sports Website

http://www.ksportusa.com/asp/coilovers_detail.asp?product_id=cd01

"36 levels of dampening adjustment allow you to fine tune the ride to your handling and comfort needs. The dampening adjusts compression and rebound simultaneously for ease of adjustment."

I don't see any adjustment in compression (uhm)

Not saying that it's a good thing to adjust compression and rebound at the same time... but I'm sure you guys get my drift

 

[ApexUMS]

Do you have a dyno graph that you can post up? Are the shocks labeled individually so you are assured the graphs are your shocks? Also how is K-sport figuring out what valving will work with spring rates on a particular car?

I pick up the kit on Monday.... As soon as I scan the graph I will post it. Why would they lie about the graphs being for the shocks? As for the valving..its matched to the spring rates I ordered, each RR kit is built to order.

Yes the compression and rebound are adjusted at the same time, no its not the best, independent rebound and compression adj is better I know. But for about $845 retail, I would say its a pretty darn good deal. Are they going to be competive in Speed Touring racecars? No, but for the local HPDEs, NASA race groups, and Time Attack guys...yes. That is why they other different levels of products....

From the Kontrol Pros for the those people who want a basic coilovers set up to the GT pro series with inverted shocks.....

 

[Jeff@Tri-Point]

Yes the compression and rebound are adjusted at the same time, no its not the best, independent rebound and compression adj is better I know. But for about $845 retail, I would say its a pretty darn good deal. Are they going to be competive in Speed Touring racecars? No, but for the local HPDEs, NASA race groups, and Time Attack guys...yes. That is why they other different levels of products....

From the Kontrol Pros for the those people who want a basic coilovers set up to the GT pro series with inverted shocks.....

If you look at the graphs above, the compression is not changing at all with the 36 levels of adjustment... It doesn't work, can you explain?

Why do you keep thinking that good shocks are only for Speed Touring cars or any pro racing? You can never go wrong with a decent pair of shocks, even on the street.

From my understanding, the sole purpose of shock absorbers, are to control sprung mass and unsprung mass period. So by tuning the shocks you can control how fast weight will transfer which will affect turn in, corner exit, transitions, car settling, braking, accelerating and etc. To me, controlling all of these properly seem very important for any type of racing and even spirited street driving.

Having inconsistent weight transfer rates front to rear, left to right can make the car unpredictable to find the limits because the car will settle after weight transfer at different times. To me, I can see risks going off course and causing even more damage at these track time attack events.

 

[Jeff@Tri-Point]

From the Kontrol Pros for the those people who want a basic coilovers set up to the GT pro series with inverted shocks.....

Wait so what exactly is the difference between a Kontrol Pro and a GT Pro besides the steel body and saving unsprung weight? Aren't the internals exactly the same in both of these units?

 

[aMaff]

I don't see any adjustment in compression (uhm)

I'm glad you saw it too. And this answer doesn't really sit right with me...

"how is K-sport figuring out what valving will work with spring rates on a particular car?"
"As for the valving..its matched to the spring rates I ordered"

He didn't ask IF it was going to be matched, but how it would be matched. IE, what are they using to determine what valving they need for your spring rates on your car.