Top ten signs you are a Christian

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A perfect example of why there is so much bulls*** in the world steming from religion.

Indeed.

How many have died because of religion?

 

[+ friction]

As an agnostic/atheist (s***, not sure what I am exactly), my biggest struggle lately has been to end my own hypocricy...I have BIG problems w/religions judging others, yet I find myself prejudging those who proclaim love for entities I find intangible. I've recently made an effort to stop mocking others (internally, of course...I would never question someone's beliefs without provocation).

To each their own.

 

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I couldn't care less.

Thank you, thank you, thank you...I love when someone actually uses this phrase properly!

"I could care less (but I don't know how)"

 

[jersey_emt]

As an agnostic/atheist (s***, not sure what I am exactly), my biggest struggle lately has been to end my own hypocricy...I have BIG problems w/religions judging others, yet I find myself prejudging those who proclaim love for entities I find intangible. I've recently made an effort to stop mocking others (internally, of course...I would never question someone's beliefs without provocation).

To each their own.

(werd)

Personally, I don't care if someone wants to worship Zatarc, the alien octopus/elephant from the 2nd planet of the Romular system.

 

[REMillers]

Yep some of those can be applied to any religion cause really they all have the same general belief system just interupted differently. Which is funny when people get up in arms with me when I say I don't believe in religion. They view that as not though I do not believe in god which is untrue. There is a god, though the way religion organizations construct themselves is so full of holes and back tracking. But human nature if you don't believe in my system then you are a outcast.

 

[jeepracer]

I feel as though many organized religions have had to may "human hands" involved. I believe the original messages of god have been interpreted by to many men therfore people have a hard time decifering what is actually gods word or what is a mans interpretation of gods word. I am a firm believer in god and am a church goer but I do not believe in some of my churches "beliefs" because they were made by man.

 

[+ friction]

I am a firm believer in god and am a church goer but I do not believe in some of my churches "beliefs" because they were made by man.

Well, as long as your church accepts this from you, you are in the correct church.

 

[REMillers]

Anyone ever do the "Game" of saying a phrase to someone who then passes it along to someone else? After awhile that phrase gets so distorted from the orginal based on what the person before concinved it was about.

 

[MP5Raycer]

this is a good one

Indeed.

How many have died because of religion?

I am puzzled by this because i am not sure if you are really asking that as a genuine question or being doubtfull and asking for someone to correct you Like your saying not many people have died because of religion ? .. I sooo hope you are saying it in a sarcastic way ... i think we all know how many die every day , all across the world due to religious beliefs

 

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I am puzzled by this because i am not sure if you are really asking that as a genuine question or being doubtfull and asking for someone to correct you Like your saying not many people have died because of religion ? .. I sooo hope you are saying it in a sarcastic way ... i think we all know how many die every day , all across the world due to religious beliefs

I meant it in the context that religion is supposed to be good and pure but religious zealots have no problem killing in their gods name.

(werd)

Personally, I don't care if someone wants to worship Zatarc, the alien octopus/elephant from the 2nd planet of the Romular system.

:mad: DON'T DIS ZATARC!!!

 

[2003blkmp5]

Anyone ever do the "Game" of saying a phrase to someone who then passes it along to someone else? After awhile that phrase gets so distorted from the orginal based on what the person before concinved it was about.

So you are basically talking about the bible here... I am as you have probably guessed by my previous statement, agnostic. I do not believe in or deny the existence of a "god". But what I do think is that, just as Jesse "the body" <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1:City><st1lace>Ventura</st1lace></st1:City> said "Religion is for the weak minded". This to me makes perfect sense because if you cant believe in yourself and your own will power, where else are you going to get it? And for some, religion is the answer. I think the bible in the Christian world was really created in the beginning to be a constitution, just as our constitution for our government sets rules and laws. If you think about it, back then when it was created, by all the stories and what not of everyone, there was no government. This was a way to make people believe, and have faith that there lives meant something. It was also there to set up some ground rules for living peacefully with others. I mean think about it, the Ten Commandments are the basis for any government. and by basically saying you will be damned to hell if you broke a commandment, is like telling someone they will go to jail for the rest of there life if they break a law... anyway I guess I could go on and on... but thats just my .02 cents... <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

 

[NRRfrogmanP5]

hahaha

 

[MP3-E]

I recently read a great quote from Marilyn Manson.

"It's not that I hate religion. I just don't agree with the way it is used to manipulate people."

 

[Mike R]

So you are basically talking about the bible here... I am as you have probably guessed by my previous statement, agnostic. I do not believe in or deny the existence of a "god". But what I do think is that, just as Jesse "the body" ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comlace>Ventura</ST1lace></st1:City> said "Religion is for the weak minded". This to me makes perfect sense because if you cant believe in yourself and your own will power, where else are you going to get it? And for some, religion is the answer. I think the bible in the Christian world was really created in the beginning to be a constitution, just as our constitution for our government sets rules and laws. If you think about it, back then when it was created, by all the stories and what not of everyone, there was no government. This was a way to make people believe, and have faith that there lives meant something. It was also there to set up some ground rules for living peacefully with others. I mean think about it, the Ten Commandments are the basis for any government. and by basically saying you will be damned to hell if you broke a commandment, is like telling someone they will go to jail for the rest of there life if they break a law... anyway I guess I could go on and on... but thats just my .02 cents... fficeffice" /><O></O>

good post. I agree.


I also like the whole movie Dogma, especially the lines spoken by Chris Rock about beliefs and ideas.

 

[jeepracer]

So you are basically talking about the bible here... I am as you have probably guessed by my previous statement, agnostic. I do not believe in or deny the existence of a "god". But what I do think is that, just as Jesse "the body" <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1:City><st1lace>Ventura</st1lace></st1:City> said "Religion is for the weak minded". This to me makes perfect sense because if you can’t believe in yourself and your own will power, where else are you going to get it? And for some, religion is the answer. I think the bible in the Christian world was really created in the beginning to be a constitution, just as our constitution for our government sets rules and laws. If you think about it, back then when it was created, by all the stories and what not of everyone, there was no government. This was a way to make people believe, and have faith that there lives meant something. It was also there to set up some ground rules for living peacefully with others. I mean think about it, the Ten Commandments are the basis for any government. and by basically saying you will be damned to hell if you broke a commandment, is like telling someone they will go to jail for the rest of there life if they break a law... anyway I guess I could go on and on... but that’s just my .02 cents... <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

So I am correct in thinking by your statment that Christians are "all" weak minded. And religion is a crutch for those of us who are weak minded. I am going to try and not take offense to that and explain my view. I do not feel that religion is for the weak minded. I feal that if you are a christian/a religious person that you actually are very strong minded and strong willed. It is not easy to listen to others speak against your beliefs. I can sit here and criticize you for not being a christian (not that you were criticizing me for being one I am just using this as an example)but I won't because to each his or her own. I take alot of crap from my friends and even some family for my views but I am very confident about my views. And to not give in takes alot of will power. I know that for some people that call themselves christians it may be an excuse or a way out but for others it is a strong belief and internal feeling that may never be felt by others. I had an experiance that brought me to see how I felt. I believe that you are correct in that the commandments were developed to be the "law" but the comandments according to the bible were inspired by god. If you don't believe in the bible or god then the commandments do not really apply to you because they are a "law" for believers to follow as a guideline. Back when the commandments were written there were rulers and kings and social rankings but the commandments were written as a seperate rule. Many kings and such did not accept the rules of god and followed there own set of rules. I do respect your views and you make some valid points for people to think about but as far as saying religion is for the weak I think that is an over genralization. Sorry for rambling again

 

[Foolish]

It bothers me that pretty much every religion says "we're right, you're going to Hell".

Also, if this "God" is so all knowing, all powerful and all loving why do some people not believe? Surely God knows this and can change this and would want to, since if you don't believe you're going to Hell, and an all-loving god wouldn't want that, now would he?

Me, I've seen organized religion mess up people's lives.

I have my own beliefs, and whichever religion is right, if we've got any fair chance at redemption, heaven, reincarnation, whatever, I don't think whoever's in charge would rule me out for not knowing which one is right!

My beliefs:
1. Have fun.
2. Don't hurt anyone.
3. Try to make things better.

 

[low_psi]

Ceej- I'm amazed...


I've been reading the Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagles as well as a book from Marcus J. Borg regarding the history of the Christian religion and contemporary faith. Its quite interesting to learn about the MANY other gospels which were labelled heretical, by who and for what reasons, and contemporary theology. Oh the joy of religion... I don't think there is anything else in this world that tears people apart quite as well.

 

[MP5Raycer]

Robin williams has a great perspective on this ..... he and I both want to know how this happened ... Ok we have, Jesus, Mozes, Zacharia ect .. then out of no were we got Mary and Joe ... little inconsistancy there .... did they even really have them names back then ?

 

[jeepracer]

It bothers me that pretty much every religion says "we're right, you're going to Hell".

Also, if this "God" is so all knowing, all powerful and all loving why do some people not believe? Surely God knows this and can change this and would want to, since if you don't believe you're going to Hell, and an all-loving god wouldn't want that, now would he?

Me, I've seen organized religion mess up people's lives.

I have my own beliefs, and whichever religion is right, if we've got any fair chance at redemption, heaven, reincarnation, whatever, I don't think whoever's in charge would rule me out for not knowing which one is right!

My beliefs:
1. Have fun.
2. Don't hurt anyone.
3. Try to make things better.

I too have seen organized religion mess up peoples lives one of which was my own until this year. But always remember that many times in that case it was not "god" messing up there lives but it was man and his rules or that churches rules. You also have to remember that "god" is in constant battles with the "devil" just because god is all knowing and loving dosn't mean that the devil can't put something on earth for temtation. But that is just it you have the choice to be tempted or not. Just as in Adam and Eve god put them on the earth during the creation process to live a sin free life but the "devil" aka serpant tempted adam into eating a forbidden fruit hence he sinned. Gods reaction to this was to send his son to us to be crucified in to forgive us for our sin. God gives us choices in religion he does not dictate our every move because he wants us to see our mistakes but he is forgiving in when we make a mistake as long as we learn and grow from that mistake and work on not making it again we are forgiven by "God" Being forgivin by god does not mean we do not need to face the concequences of our actions but it means that we still may have a place in heaven after we pass on.

 

[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

I'm not going to get into my personal beliefs, but a professor I had told me something interesting about the existence of god that I want to share. He's jewish, and his family is jewish. They lived in Europe during WWII, and quite a few of them were killed. When talking about this in class one day, he mentioned that he no longer goes to church or really believes in god. He said he sat down and talked with his rabbi one day and he asked him about the holocaust. He came to the following 3 possibilities, and the rabbi was unable to counter his arguments. He said that either god exists and couldn't stop the holocaust, god exists and could stop the holocaust but chose not to, or god didn't exist. The rabbi told him that the only answer is that god is all powerful and could stop the holocaust, but he chose not to. My professor said that was the time he stopped believing in god. He said when you boil it down, he's either powerless, cruel or doesn't exist, and he's not going to believe in a god that's powerless or refuses to take action when needed. Just a thought. Anyone have a counter for this argument? I personally can't come up with one. If god chose not to help those who needed it and were suffering immensely, then why worship him?