tire suckage

[zmepro]

<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=1 width=660 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=size1 noWrap bgColor=#cccccc>205/45ZR16 87W </TD><TD class=size1 noWrap align=middle bgColor=#cccccc> </TD><TD class=size1 noWrap align=middle bgColor=#cccccc>6.5-7.0-7.5 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

this is off the toyo website (i plan on gettin proxies next)
i believe that the stock wheels are 6.5

also, this wouldn't explain why my stock ones wore out even fast then the wider tires

 

[NJP5Guy]

<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=1 width=660 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=size1 noWrap bgColor=#cccccc>205/45ZR16 87W </TD><TD class=size1 noWrap align=middle bgColor=#cccccc> </TD><TD class=size1 noWrap align=middle bgColor=#cccccc>6.5-7.0-7.5 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

this is off the toyo website (i plan on gettin proxies next)
i believe that the stock wheels are 6.5

also, this wouldn't explain why my stock ones wore out even fast then the wider tires

stock wheels are 16x6

 

[CRISPY5]

A tire mounted on an improperly sized rim would either cause it to fail..i.e. come of the rim and have a blow out..... Or if the tire is too narrow for the rim and the side wall is riding on the surface of the road... that area could possibly wear faster, but usually there is not any tread there... unless one put some Mickey T's mud and snows on their P5 which have tread on the side wall... Really doubt that....

If you go too wide there is still some chance of a blow out, but more often you would experience worse handling due to the tread shifting back and forth on the excess sidewall, or extra wear on the outer edges of the tires as if a normal tire was under inflated...

Now if anyone read my post.... I said that a properly inflated tire of any size... (unless it comes off the rim).... should wear just fine.... especially since the thread originator did indicate that there was even wear, with proper rotation of the tires.... But still they had severe wear....

Anyone who has ever raced a stock car... or even watched it on TV lately knows there are 3 things which cause severe tire wear.... The rubber the tire is made of (soft, hard, and chemical make-up).... the severety of the driving conditions.... and the surface of the freeking road one drives on..... NOT THE RIM OF YOUR TIRE..

If the pressure is good.... (appropriate for the given tire mounted... not the stupid sticker on the tire or inside of your car door....) and the tire stays on your car ( that means it don't come off and goes into the weeds... and I don't mean what some people are smokin....)

Then your rim and tire size is fine and should not cause excessive wear!!

Sorry to be so.... anal... but come on... don't go by what Joe the tire guy says at K-mart.... think a little and read some too....

Sure, the contact patch of a thin rubber tire will warp and distort under the weight of a two thousand pound automobile when it is inflated to 30+ psi...... and your driving at 60 miles an hour.... WHATEVER.....

The only real concerns about tire size and rims is, will it rub or come off the rim??? Performance and wear..... that is not a factor... unless you work at K-mart...

Anyone disagree.... K-mart is accepting applications I hear..

 

[zmepro]

nice

 

[CRISPY5]

Are you being sarcastic or what??? nice....


I'm just trying to help the guy in my own crispy kind of way....

Don't mean to offend the founders you know...

But when is looks like a duck and quacks.... well, you know what I mean...

 

[snowman4us]

it seems to me that you obveisly(sp?) dont know mutch bout cars...if you do everything by the manual your car will be stock...
i race autoX and trust me i know about tire choices...i bought the 205 for a rason like a stated before...and what are you talking about 285;s on a rally car? keep rally out of this, i will OWN you on that subject...

i dont even want to waste my time typing, to correct every thing you said....your just taking it in the rear at the moment. might as well stop while your no as deep as you could be.(uhm)

serious thow...pick up some tuner magazines...read them and lern...get a subscription(sp?) to SportsCompact Car, and read it....youll lern little one...

To start only a lesser, uneducated man reverts to name calling. If you actually went by the manufacturers specs before you purchased tires you find that every tire has a range for the size rim it should be mounted on. ideally every tire has a specific rim that it should fit on. in order to find that out you must look at the specs for a tire. When tires are mounted on an incorrect rim width all sorts of problems can occur. balance and alignment can be affected, stress on the hub bearings(this can occur with turning) resulting in uneven wear. not too mention the side walls of the tire undergo added stress due to the insufficient support from the rim(rims that are too small). And i might also add that a wider tire does not add up to increased grip and traction. The contact patch is what matters. wider tires do not always have a larger contact patch. Lets put it this way you dont see rally cars driving through the snow with 285 wide tires do you. NO YOU DON'T. I will respond sir by saying that you must think before you respond. Do your research first. (uhm)

 

[NJP5Guy]

If you are so wise then by all means enlighten me oh great one(and about rally racing-my point that you didnt get with that is that wider is not always better).And yes i do subscribe to tuner mags. The main reason i say to keep the tire within specs is for longeveity of parts. if you read my other statement on that you will see. You made such a big deal out of me saying that the tires werent a wise choice(put your highschool mentality back in your pocket and grow up. People won't tolerate wiseass-unprovoked responses when you enter the real world). Sure if you are an auto-crosser using differnt tires is great but for everyday driving which most people do its not the best choice. And no i'm not all about keeping my car stock but as my everyday driver which my mommy and daddy didn't buy for me i have to think about longevity.

 

[flat_black]

I'm running 205/50R16's on my P5, original tires lasted about 15k... I now have 61k on the car, which is 46k on my present Yokohama AVS ES100's, and I have the rest of the summer that I'll easily be able to get out of them, too. I run mine at 40 rear, and 38 front. It sounds high, but works perfectly, and I have perfectly even treadwear, front and back... My original wheels had rediculous amounts of chopping at the edges, and looked really torn up... These ones have a tiny bit of rubbing at the corners, but nothing major. I've never even SEEN a wear bar on my car, and I don't really drive it lightly, lets say. Just my input.

 

[NJP5Guy]

I'm running 205/50R16's on my P5, original tires lasted about 15k... I now have 61k on the car, which is 46k on my present Yokohama AVS ES100's, and I have the rest of the summer that I'll easily be able to get out of them, too. I run mine at 40 rear, and 38 front. It sounds high, but works perfectly, and I have perfectly even treadwear, front and back... My original wheels had rediculous amounts of chopping at the edges, and looked really torn up... These ones have a tiny bit of rubbing at the corners, but nothing major. I've never even SEEN a wear bar on my car, and I don't really drive it lightly, lets say. Just my input.

I have gotten that choppiness you talked about too. its mainly from taking turns quick and getting that slight touch of understeer(onramps mainly). Yeah that does seem high. I like to run about 33 front and rear. Even though you run high pressures how are the 205/50? did they seem much softer or squishier than the oem's?

 

[zmepro]

205/50 is more likely a worse size then 205/45

the overall diameter is about the same with a 205/45 (slighly smaller)

but its much larger with a 205/50

 

[flat_black]

On the OE's, I ran 35/35, on these, they feel about the same, hardness-wise as the 195/50's... The 205/50's DID feel much softer at 35/35, though. To the point that turn in felt too loose for my desires... I intend to get 205/45's next time, and keep the pressure down a little bit more than these ones, and the 205/45 ES100's have reinforced sidewalls, so they should be even stiffer than before. We'll see, though.