supercharger for mazda3

What Protege owner has a supercharger and turbo at the same time.

LET ALONE a supercharger.

I was just wondering the same thing...I think I heard ONE guy mention he was going to try to attempt it...but as far as the statement that a lot of MSP guys do it...I dont know about that one

EDIT: apparently I missed the sarcasm of the original post...my bad.

I dunno how this thread turned into turbo vs supercharger...when clearly the op wants to know about superchargers...At to put the argument to rest they both have pros and cons...its up to personal preference in the end...and this guy wants to go s/c.
 
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People to stop posting dumb s*** like "why woudl you want a supercharger when turbos are better anyway" as a start.
THANK YOU. I read this thread and started to cry a little on the inside. I was going to address the mountain of dumb, but I wasn't sure where to start climbing... you saved me the effort.
 
THANK YOU. I read this thread and started to cry a little on the inside. I was going to address the mountain of dumb, but I wasn't sure where to start climbing... you saved me the effort.

HAHA I just spit out soda at work after I read that. I also agree with the "mountain of dumb" you speak of. Pluto hit the nail on the head as usual. I dont see as many posts from him anymore...probably because he has a ms3 now and has left the msp realm, but when they come out they are priceless.
 
HAHA I just spit out soda at work after I read that. I also agree with the "mountain of dumb" you speak of. Pluto hit the nail on the head as usual. I dont see as many posts from him anymore...probably because he has a ms3 now and has left the msp realm, but when they come out they are priceless.

I asked him a serious question as to why hed prefer a supercharger, I think that I deserved a response. I stated my opinion just as all of you are doing...
 
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I asked him a serious question as to why hed prefer a supercharger, I think that I deserved a response. I stated my opinion just as all of you are doing, so you can all suck my dick.


Some of you guys posting in this thread are already walking fine lines. I suggest leave the thread. Numbnuts leave it be and figure out the ignore function.. Keep your cool.
 
I asked him a serious question as to why hed prefer a supercharger, I think that I deserved a response. I stated my opinion just as all of you are doing, so you can all suck my dick.
and i responded "but i already have a turbo vehicle, and now i would prefer a s/c for once"
i wanna have a lil bit of everything
 
and i responded "but i already have a turbo vehicle, and now i would prefer a s/c for once"
i wanna have a lil bit of everything

I wasnt saying that to you, just everybody else.

I just think superchargers are best on a v8 or something like that. maybe on a foxbody or something like that?
 
I wasnt saying that to you, just everybody else.

I just think superchargers are best on a v8 or something like that. maybe on a foxbody or something like that?

stop littering the guy's thread. he wants to know about supercharger's for his car, not your opinion on why he shouldnt get one. And to avoid further litter in this thread I wont ask you to justify why a bodystyle (ie.foxbody) would have any bearing on whether a supercharger would be a good fit on a car.

(Dont worry I already get it. You see old muscle cars with superchargers so you think imports shoulds have turbos and muscle cars should have superchargers)
 
I wasnt saying that to you, just everybody else.

I just think superchargers are best on a v8 or something like that. maybe on a foxbody or something like that?

yea but i wanted to try something new, since this motor is off the focus and ive seen heard very good things of the s/c and theres a guy here where i live with a s/c on his focus i think it was badd ass especially when it kept head to head with an 07 modded gt and yes i do know that its a 2.0 and our 2.3 have alot more restrictions.

but like i said i already have a twin turbo z i wanna try a s/c on this 3 than boosting it, besides this 3 is gonna be my new project car :D
 
The super charger in that pic is in a strange spot. Why wouldn't they just move the s/c closer to the real engine?

It seems like they went out of their way to move it over when they could have made the lines go straight up. I must be missing something...like how it fits in the engine bay?
 
Guys youre forgetting one thing.. Aftermarket turbo's arent smog legal in some states whereas superchargers are. The second you move any catalytic converter, you pissed off the smog nazi's. Superchargers on 4 cyl's suck because of the hp needed to spin them.

Actually, its the torque required to turn them. Thats why they are not so great on 4 bangers. Even the higher horse power hondas (s2000 with 230+ hp) can't spin a SC well because of the lower torque rating. SC's are parasitic so they are robbing the engine of torque to produce higher HP but not nearly as much torque on a 4 cylinder motor. Now, on bigger american muscle cars you see SC because there is plenty of torque to go around.
 
I asked him a serious question as to why hed prefer a supercharger, I think that I deserved a response. I stated my opinion just as all of you are doing, so you can all suck my dick.
There is nothing at all wrong with stating an opinion, but that's not really what you did. You basically said "Turbos pwn Superchargers, end of story!" Then you listed a bunch of entirely subjective reasons for this stance. That's not really a good way to make a point.

That said, for this particular application, a relatively low displacement inline 4, I agree with you. I don't see superchargers being a very effective way of producing big power. Throttle response would be better in any gear at any speed, but it wouldn't have quite the oomph the MS3 does. Recent examples of low displacement supercharged motors would be the Cobalt SS Supercharged, and its numbers aren't that bad.

Turbos have their advantages, so do supers. For example: the MS3 0-60 time is hampered by turbo lag and an extra shift, which is why the Cobalt SS with 80 fewer tlb/ft and 50 fewer ponies is only about 2/10ths off our pace to 60 and about 4/10ths in the 1/4 mile.

Arguments like "easier" and "more efficient" depend entirely on the kit or application. Dismissing the benefits of a supercharger out of hand and going on about turbos just comes across as a typical misinformed ricer attitude.

But back to the topic... I haven't heard of a supercharged Mazda3 yet, but Vortech probably has something you can use. No idea if there are any sepcific kits out there for the 3 either.
 
Nail on the head, Kragan. Exactly. The torque of these little motors simply can't keep up. Also, that is a positive-displacement supercharger in that picture, as opposed to the centrifugal designs. That means the parasitic loss is pretty high, and the overall efficiency of the engine will drop. The pumping losses should go down though :)

I think SC's are great, but even then you must separate them into "camps" of positive displacement (Roots, Whipple), and Centrifugal (Vortech, others I can't think of at the moment!), and those two have drastically different behaviors as it is. A Centrifugal almost feels like a turbo...and in reality it is 1/2 of one! Power up top, but pretty gutless down below. Also, a nice advantage of low parasitic loss down low though. The Positive Displacement ones (like that one in the picture) are a different animal altogether. These are the ones you see sitting on Dragsters with their neat air intake and accompanying red throttle butterflies on top of the engine. These roots-style or whipple blowers constantly force-feed the engine, and are a bit parasitic by design. The great thing about these particular S.C.'s is their ability to literally LEAP off idle with a ferocious amount of power, thanks to that design. It becomes far less efficient at upper RPM's, but man, if you are after that low to mid-RPM always-there power, the whipple/roots is the way to go. Really, if you're after some bottom-end grunt but not really needing the top-end rush, go with this type of SC with supporting mods (fuel, etc.) and you should be pleased. Automatic transmission cars seem to like this mod as long as the torque converter won't die under the additional torque!

A turbo (or centrifugal supercharger) would be the other side of the fence, used to benefit at the upper rpm range (and you could say that the turbo is more efficient at this.)

With a turbo using the otherwise wasted energy contained within the exhaust of the vehicle, it is INDEED more efficient then a supercharger, which is operating on precisely the opposite side of the engine, PULLING torque and power from the motor. Of course the power a supercharger develops through its air compression more then makes up for the parasitic losses, but that is why a SC doesn't produce the same HP at the same forced induction pressures as a turbo GIVEN everything else including CFM FLOW are equal. This is not up for dispute or debate, it is a function of the way they work! Both are fine, because an engine with more power is still going to please the owner, no matter which way the power is created. A turbo simply borrows from the waste-side of power creation to do it. Both setups require more fuel to work properly, as proportionate to the amount of air the engine takes in, so that is a wash. The intercoolers are a whole 'nother matter, but my gut feeling is that as long as there is an IC on the setup that can somewhat drop the air temp back down to near ambient, then who cares how it did it? Water cooling (like that one seen in the picture) has its own problems to deal with, as does Air-Air, but either way you've got cooler air and you'll need anytime you compress air (thermal dynamics classes 101)

I got to agree with a lot of people who say that a turbo is easier! It isn't that it is less complex (its NOT), its not that it is any faster (its NOT), its not that there are cheaper parts (NO WAY)...It comes down to the fact that turbo systems are designed almost in a modular way, as compared to a supercharger. Bottom line: If no company makes a supercharger you want, you're going to do a LOT of custom work. A turbo will require some work most likely, but it is a much simpler affair overall. If a company does make one for you, its damn near bolt on "Technician level B" work! Lucky YOU!


Actually, its the torque required to turn them. Thats why they are not so great on 4 bangers. Even the higher horse power hondas (s2000 with 230+ hp) can't spin a SC well because of the lower torque rating. SC's are parasitic so they are robbing the engine of torque to produce higher HP but not nearly as much torque on a 4 cylinder motor. Now, on bigger american muscle cars you see SC because there is plenty of torque to go around.
 
Back in my corolla XRS days, I was looking into a custom solution with a rotrex supercharger. They are pretty neat little centrifugal units, and with a little fabrication work you can put them almost anywhere. They work pretty well on tiny little 4-bangers, someone was pumping out nearly 360whp from the little 2zz engine if I remember correctly...
 
i do now that a friend of mine got a ref ticket after being pulled over for tint.

which makes the carb legal comptech appealing

Unless the officer who pulls you over is a ASE certified D.O.T officer, he can not ticket you for engine mods because he has no idea what is and what is not stock, let alone, CARB exemption. If they ask you to pop the hood, refuse if they cant provide proof of ASE and DOT. We do this here in CA. Only with CHP with blue jumpsuits can inspect your engine for mods and even they dont know what the hell is legal.
 
There is nothing at all wrong with stating an opinion, but that's not really what you did. You basically said "Turbos pwn Superchargers, end of story!" Then you listed a bunch of entirely subjective reasons for this stance. That's not really a good way to make a point.

That said, for this particular application, a relatively low displacement inline 4, I agree with you. I don't see superchargers being a very effective way of producing big power. Throttle response would be better in any gear at any speed, but it wouldn't have quite the oomph the MS3 does. Recent examples of low displacement supercharged motors would be the Cobalt SS Supercharged, and its numbers aren't that bad.

Turbos have their advantages, so do supers. For example: the MS3 0-60 time is hampered by turbo lag and an extra shift, which is why the Cobalt SS with 80 fewer tlb/ft and 50 fewer ponies is only about 2/10ths off our pace to 60 and about 4/10ths in the 1/4 mile.

Arguments like "easier" and "more efficient" depend entirely on the kit or application. Dismissing the benefits of a supercharger out of hand and going on about turbos just comes across as a typical misinformed ricer attitude.

But back to the topic... I haven't heard of a supercharged Mazda3 yet, but Vortech probably has something you can use. No idea if there are any sepcific kits out there for the 3 either.
yea i asked a simple question like HAS ANYONE HEARD ABOUT ANY S/C FOR THE MAZDA3 not WHICH IS BETTER A TURBO OR S/C or other stuff
i do appreciate the ones that did stay on topic, and the ones that had nothing to do with turbos or s/c, i do appreciate all feedback but just wanted to know, HAS ANYONE HEARD/DOES ANYONE KNOW ABOUT A S/C FOR THE MAZDA3
 
yea i asked a simple question like HAS ANYONE HEARD ABOUT ANY S/C FOR THE MAZDA3 not WHICH IS BETTER A TURBO OR S/C or other stuff
i do appreciate the ones that did stay on topic, and the ones that had nothing to do with turbos or s/c, i do appreciate all feedback but just wanted to know, HAS ANYONE HEARD/DOES ANYONE KNOW ABOUT A S/C FOR THE MAZDA3


There isn't anything in production at this time from what I can find by doing searches on yahoo/google/here/other forum. I didn't find anything about a for sure release date either, I've heard a few people saying that such and such company is working on something, but none of them had a great deal of progress or anything like that.
I hope that's something more like what you are looking for.
 

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