supercharger for mazda3
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numbnuts22715
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why woudl you want a supercharger when turbos are better anyway
maybe he is looking for a supercharger/turbo combo. alota the msp guys do that, pretty cheap to do.
Wow, what a great blanket statement. I am sure you have a lot of facts to back that up. Please explain.
numbnuts22715
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I know that its mostly preference, but my reasons:
1. with a turbocharger you have more choices
2. you can make more power out of a turbo
3. a lot easier
4. easier to upgrade if you wanted a different brand/ type
5. instead of using power to make power, it uses exhaust gases to spool up the turbo so its free creation of more power.
6. cheaper.
7. more efficient.
what esle do you want?
This depends on the car mostly, but for the case of the Mazda3 this is correct.
Incorrect. Having a turbo doesn't by default make more power than having a supercharger. Just as the supporting pieces make a difference along with the different trim levels of turbos, the same rules apply to superchargers. Superchargers have come a long way recently.
HKS agrees.
Removing the exhaust manifold, replumbing oil lines, routing intercooler pipes, etc. is a lot easier? Interesting theory you have there.
That is, if you are running a intercooled supercharger its about the same amount of work.
350z supercharger kit by HKS.
RSX turbo kit by HKS. (The 350z supercharger comes with an oil cooler too, don't be fooled.)
Yes and no. Going from a T25 to a T3 (for example) requires a new manifold, exhaust, plumbing, etc. Not sure what you were going for here.
Nothing is free, 99% of turbo manifolds would make an awful N/A header, and drawing the pre-turbo-spooled air through all that extra plumbing isn't exactly leaving you with 100% stock factory power either.
Wow, pulling that one out of the air I see.
I would agree with you here, but only if you can explain why.
People to stop posting dumb s*** like "why woudl you want a supercharger when turbos are better anyway" as a start.
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numbnuts22715
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let me specify a little more since you dont understand.
1. for any car there are more choices. How many choices of superchargers are there for a honda? 3??? comptech, vortech, jackson racing
You can build a custom turbo setup with limitless options. First pick out the manifold, then whatever else you want.
2. Yes you can make more power of a turbo with the same amount of boost. Some is wasted with a supercharger because it uses power to make it, whereas with a turbo exhaust gas does the work.
3. You cant compare a nonintercooled supercharger to an intercooled turbo, thats just retarded. So yes, its more work. Removing an intake manifold sucks dick, I've done it before, more than once. Removing the exhaust manifold is a LOT easier.
4. You don't always have to change the flange to a different turbo, you can get a gt30 that makes almost 500 hp with the t25 flange, so unless you are going to do some outrageous moddinng, you'll be fine.
5. were not talking about n/a here, so wtf is the reason for this? Im talking about turbo's vs superchargers. Supercharges are pulyl driven, so theres more loss throughout the drivetrain, with a turbo it's spooled up by the exhaust gas.
6. You can build a custom turbo kit for reasonably cheap, where can you even get s*** for a supercharger for this car? Or even any car??
7. And lastly, if you had any brain at all, you would have read the part where I said turbo's use exhaust gases to spool them up. That's where the more efficient part comes in.
I dont even know why you're defending superchargers so much, I can tell you've got a lot of experience with them from owning an msp and an ms3.
1. for any car there are more choices. How many choices of superchargers are there for a honda? 3??? comptech, vortech, jackson racing
You can build a custom turbo setup with limitless options. First pick out the manifold, then whatever else you want.
2. Yes you can make more power of a turbo with the same amount of boost. Some is wasted with a supercharger because it uses power to make it, whereas with a turbo exhaust gas does the work.
3. You cant compare a nonintercooled supercharger to an intercooled turbo, thats just retarded. So yes, its more work. Removing an intake manifold sucks dick, I've done it before, more than once. Removing the exhaust manifold is a LOT easier.
4. You don't always have to change the flange to a different turbo, you can get a gt30 that makes almost 500 hp with the t25 flange, so unless you are going to do some outrageous moddinng, you'll be fine.
5. were not talking about n/a here, so wtf is the reason for this? Im talking about turbo's vs superchargers. Supercharges are pulyl driven, so theres more loss throughout the drivetrain, with a turbo it's spooled up by the exhaust gas.
6. You can build a custom turbo kit for reasonably cheap, where can you even get s*** for a supercharger for this car? Or even any car??
7. And lastly, if you had any brain at all, you would have read the part where I said turbo's use exhaust gases to spool them up. That's where the more efficient part comes in.
I dont even know why you're defending superchargers so much, I can tell you've got a lot of experience with them from owning an msp and an ms3.
numbnuts22715
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you're totally right, but on some cars, you dont have to remove a cat, and the turbo still isnt smog legal, correct? That's how it was with hondas/acuras anyway.
Also, how many of us are worried with smog legal stuff? I know I'm not. But I agree with you 100 percent.
Yes because the only cars I have ever owned or worked on are Mazdaspeed Proteges and 3s. (yawn)
Its not that I am defending superchargers is that someone asked if there was a supercharger for the 3 and you thought it was a good time to get on your soapbox about how you don't like them.
TheDutchGun
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Superchargers = awesome but I own a Mustang so my opinion is useless.
oskinosmee
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Supercharger sounds good
dude you need to calm down.
OBVIOUSLY i was kidding seeing as there is no protege on this board that is running a supercharger with a turbo charger.
superchargers are limited. each has there own advantages and disadvantages. however, nine times out of 10 i would go with a turbo charger. a small turbo will almost spool instantly. so lag is not a huge deal.
wow i just asked if anyone has heard about a s/c for the mazda 3 2.3 as for for other members opinion about turbos being better i appreciate the info but i already have a turbo vehicle, and now i would prefer a s/c for once
here are some pics of the s/c that was suppose to be for a 2.3 focus but turns out that it wasnt smog legal for the focus and was gonna be for the mazda3 instead, i dunno some b/s like that but here the pics
here are some pics of the s/c that was suppose to be for a 2.3 focus but turns out that it wasnt smog legal for the focus and was gonna be for the mazda3 instead, i dunno some b/s like that but here the pics
Some good reading, if someone wants more info:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/supercharger.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/supercharger.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger
i do now that a friend of mine got a ref ticket after being pulled over for tint.
which makes the carb legal comptech appealing
