Spied: 2017 Mazda CX-9

Mazda i-ACTIV AWD

While this AWD system may not be exactly the one to be used in the CX-9, I think the video performs a good job describing the Mazda i-ACTIV AWD system.
NOTE: It is in Japanese with English subtitles.
[video=youtube;SJVtxV5oslk]Mazda i-ACTIV AWD[/video]
 
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it's still jsut on demand AWD with newer smarter software. I am sure it will be more than sufficient and while Mazda tries to downplay TC issue.....and no extended warranty is not enough IMHO....I am sure they addressed this issue specifically.
This is surely my next family car...if it actually had 6 seats with walk through 2nd row, it would be perfect.
 
as a one of few companies that actually care for driving experience. ....they should add a button on the dash and couple lines of code for simple 50/50 lock. Traction off and 50/50 electronic lock would make it sooo good!
 
sorry me again, adding comments as I watch the video....Everyone is overreacting with this lower MPG on AWD variants ....give me a break...how many MPG less with AWD?? 1 ?? max. 2 in less efficient systems? MAzda, you are already driving the shaft to propel TC gears anyway....driving rear diff. constantly with minimal drag, subaru style wouldn't add more than 1mpg for such a heavy car.
 
it's still jsut on demand AWD with newer smarter software.

Yes... but with more use of predictive so in theory in-play before reactive situation has occurred.

Additional AWD starting traction can be invoked alone just with the windshield wipers on.
 
It seems that torque-vectoring is all that's missing from the i-ACTIV AWD system.
 
It seems that torque-vectoring is all that's missing from the i-ACTIV AWD system.

Well the wheel sensors and ABS pump, and brake force distribution are already there, are we just a software program away from making torque vectoring possible?
 
Seems to be an i-ACTIV AWD day: Snow Testing Mazda’s i-ACTIV All-Wheel Drive:

When you think of all-wheel drive, do you think of Mazda?

Chances are the answer is no and Mazda is fully aware of that. To help change perceptions about the brand’s all-wheel drive prowess, Mazda invited us to Crested Butte, Colorado to put the brand’s i-ACTIV all-wheel drive systems to the test.

For those not familiar with the specifics of all-wheel drive (AWD) mechanics, there are basically two types of AWD systems on the market today. The first are full-time AWD like Audi and Subaru utilize, while the other is an on-demand set-up, used by the majority of the industry.

The reason on-demand is more popular is that full time all-wheel drive needs a longitudinal engine layout to work effectively, which most front-wheel drive based cars do not possess. Conventional wisdom is that a full-time AWD system is the superior set-up but with today’s advances in engineering, Mazda thinks i-ACTIV is just as good – or maybe even better. Can that really be?

Not Your Father’s Slip and Grip
‘Slip and grip’ is a colloquial term used by AWD elitists to describe rudimentary, ineffective AWD systems. I know this because I’m one. In the past, any all-wheel drive system that didn’t consistently send power to the front and rear wheels unless slippage was detected fell under this category and thus was obviously inferior.

But times have changed and so has technology. Heck, even Subaru, stalwarts of full-time AWD, now uses a modified on-demand system in CVT-equipped vehicles.

Mazda has a more traditional on-demand all-wheel drive system that the company is quick to point is anything but slip and grip. Introduced in the 2013 CX-5 crossover, the system is of course called i-ACTIV all-wheel drive because, well, Mazda needs to ACTIV all the things.

i-ACTIV AWD
In normal operation, i-ACTIV AWD does send approximately 98 percent of the vehicle’s power to the front wheels. But the vehicle’s computer and 27 sensors monitor factors like steering torque, steering angle, front and rear wiper motor speed, outside temperature, longitudinal g forces, electric steering motor current, gas pedal position, gear position, brake pressure, wheel speed, engine rpm and the vehicle’s incline angle at an amazing 200 times per second.

A central control module then predicts and determines how the wheels need to be driven and send upwards of 50 percent of the engine’s power to the rear wheels before the front wheels begin to slip. But, if the front wheels have absolutely no traction, the rear differential can accommodate 100% of the engine’s torque if needed.

And that rear differential features 82% less energy loss than Mazda’s old AWD system. i-ACTIV as a whole is 84 pounds lighter in the CX-5 compared the one installed in the CX-7 and the all-new CX-9’s i-ACTIV sheds 57 pounds compared to the outgoing model.

Rear Tires Are Actually Powered Most of the Time

But the system is more than just light weight and quick reactions. Mazda studied the relationship between what people recognize as wheel spin compared to how much actual wheel spin is occurring. There’s more wheel spin happening than we realize and to ensure the all-wheel drive performance feels natural, Mazda allows certain amounts of wheel spin to occur in slippery conditions.

And while on the topic of wheel spin, it’s a little known fact that tires are always slipping a bit, even on dry pavement. This is the reason power is sent to the rear wheels, even in dry conditions. It reduces the front tire slip and associated energy waste enough to overcome the small amount of power that’s being sent to the rear wheels.

Electro Diff, But No Torque Vectoring

A big change in the world of differentials is the movement away from hydraulic looking center couplings to electronically controlled ones like found in Mazda’s i-ACTIV. By using an electromagnetically activated clutch, the rear wheel torque matches exactly what the computer is dictating unlike a hydraulic clutch pack that cannot vary the amount of torque to the rear wheels as quickly or as often. It’s like the gracefulness of ballet replacing the hammer forward approach of crunk.

One thing i-ACTIV AWD does not do is torque vector in any form. The stability and traction control systems will brake individual wheels to send power to the wheels with grip, but the all-wheel drive system cannot send power to an individual wheel nor does it brake individual wheels for pseudo torque-vectoring.

Enough Shop Talk, How Does it Work?
Alright, now that I’ve gone over all the gooey details; how does it work in the real world? Mazda set up a few real-world driving situations in Crested Butte and brought along the CX-5’s main rivals – a Subaru Forester, Honda CR-V and Toyota RAV4. And yes, all the vehicles wore identical Bridgestone Blizzak winter tires.

First up I drove the CX-5. Along a snow covered, steeply angled mountain road the vehicle never felt like it was fighting for traction. Grip was always there. It felt sure footed under acceleration, braking and cornering.

The one nuance I found was that, as expected, the i-ACTIV AWD does not help with cornering. Apply power mid corner in the snow and the CX-5 will begin sliding nose first for a snow bank. But most owners of the CX-5 will not be trying to snow-drift the crossover and when not driven like a manic, it takes a lot of drama out of wintry driving.

So How Did the Competition Do?

Next up was the Toyota RAV4. It uses what Toyota calls dynamic torque control all-wheel drive. Mechanically, it’s a set-up similar to that of Mazda’s. On the snowy test roads, the RAV4 felt less certain under braking, as the rear end would dart around under moderate braking. It also produces more rear-end rotation during throttle-off over-steer, which is fun for someone like me, but may be a bit unnerving for a consumer.

The Toyota also fought harder for traction when climbing some of the steeper hills. On nice plus for the RAV4 is the fact it can be locked into all-wheel drive via button on the dashboard, but unless the vehicle is at a complete stop, it doesn’t make that much difference.

Next up was the Honda CR-V, which also now uses an electronic center coupler but feels cruder than all the other systems here. It allows the front tires to spin quite a bit before the clutch engages the rear tires. It had the hardest time finding traction on inclines and was the most apt to produces moderate amounts of throttle-off over-steer. Easily, the CR-V was the least predictable crossover on snow and ice.

But What About the Subaru?
Last up was the vehicle known for all-wheel drive superiority – the Subaru Forester. After a few minutes driving around on the slick mountain roads, I found there is not much performance difference between it and the CX-5 when it came to acceleration, cornering or braking capabilities. That’s saying something since Subaru is so well known for the brand’s all-wheel drive systems.

But then again, the all-wheel drive system Subaru offers with the brand’s CVT equipped models is closer to the that of a slip and grip system than the old constant ratio AWD setups. Even with this more front-wheel bias system, the Forester is still the most willing to slide the tail out under throttle and feels the easiest to modulate at my will. But it’s nothing like the tail-happy, I-wanna-be-like-Colin-McRae Subbies of old. And when climbing a steep, snow covered incline, the Forester struggled for grip more than the CX-5 did.

The Verdict: Snow Testing Mazda’s i-ACTIV All-Wheel Drive
Did Mazda’s i-ACTIV all-wheel drive blow away the competition? No, no it didn’t. And Mazda wasn’t expecting to. What Mazda wanted to prove is that i-ACTIV is just as good as anything the competition has to offer and may hold a few advantages here and there. In that quest, Mazda has succeeded.
 
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So those that new all wheel drive system and transmission mean no more transfer case failures?

100% agree that Mazda really drop the ball on the current model's transfer cases, fault also on Ford side since it is a Ford design. The new CX-9 will most definitely be a Mazda design and going back to its roots and no more Ford parts. But on the other hand, it does seem so far that we as a collective have been able to rein in the current transfer case problem with Avidien's help. So although i would love to get one of the first new CX9 models i don't to be a guinea pig and live thru any bugs or teething problems that always bound to happen on new models. I'll hold on to my current model with regular transfer case maintenance for another year or two, then pull the trigger and get a new model.
 
I see they just added a section about the radar cruise control on the official site.
3/4 of the way down the page. http://www.2016mazdacx9.com/#overview

Edit: It shows 8 features. You have to click the right/left button to see them all. Lane departure, adaptive lighting, etc
 
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We can hope that the new Mazda i-ACTIV design won't be as prone to TC failures as the old Ford design, even though i-ACTIV still spins the gears in the TC and propeller shaft 100% of the time with the rear diff still being the brains of the operation :) I'm assuming Mazda kept the TC failures in mind when designing the new drivetrain. That being said, we just got our 2012 CX-9 GT, and with 35k miles on it I'll be getting that TC fluid changed as soon as I can!
 
I don't think they have a web designer anymore. They don't even have the updated info on the 2016.5 CX-5, and they've been in dealerships for a number of weeks now.
 
I don't think they have a web designer anymore. They don't even have the updated info on the 2016.5 CX-5, and they've been in dealerships for a number of weeks now.

From what I have seen, they seem to wait until the previous models are all sold before updating the specs for the newer models.
 
They JUST started production, meaning they are now going to start building inventory and then ship them. Since they come by cargo ship, there is no way any are close to being in dealerships yet
 
Don't know why i even care to attend those auto shows....mazda cx 9 to hit dealers in couple weeks and u can even sit in one...really mazda really ?? Hate to break it to u ...but it's not exactly a Ferrari....daiiiimmmmm u could sit in latest S class but not in pedestrian cuv...lol. those auto shows are such a waste of energy..and people taking pictures of interior are frickin the best

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I'll be trading in my 2008 CX-9 when the new one comes out this summer. Is it worth putting new-ish tires from Criagslist on ($300) or leave my old ones on that have 6/32nds? I can just see the dealership taking $1000 off the value for new ties. Thoughts?
 
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