Sometimes I Just Want to Slap Mazda
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chwood said:(shrug)
yeah, I'd love to see these issues go away, but since no one (despite the above assured insistence) has demonstrably shown that ALL of our turbos are having oil issues, I can deal with the relatively minor irritations of the clunk and the hesitation.
The clunk is a minor annoyance at best (esp with the radio on).
The "stumble" and the "hesitation" are a bigger issue, but a.) there MIGHT actually be a fix from Mazda on this (fingers crossed) and b.) most people are here are going to be mod'ing their car anyway, which would include (you would think, considering the low stock PSI) upping the boost (which all but eliminates these problems).
I still love the MSP DESPITE these concerns.
I'd just love it more w/out them.
I agree 100%, and still stand behind my comment that the car is wonderful. Yes this is my first turbo car, but not my first car. I hang out and learn from people with alot of knowledge about turbo systems, and mazda. Right now, i can goto a guy with a turbo miata, turbo II rx7, n/a rx7(had a turbo II but it caught fire).
They all know a great deal, and have helped me learn a great deal about turbo systems. When i showed them this thread, they related my car does do this "screech" and highly doubt it is oil starvation. I will admit my knowledge is limited now, but i have and am learning a great deal about turbos.
I do agree that it might not be right to cut corners, but Mazda did put out a good car, look at alot of other cars, and for the price we paid, we got alot for our money.
As far as the hesitation.. yea it pissed me off, but i fixed it with JoeP's FPR, 25bucks well spent, even if i shouldnt have had to.
The Complaints are valid, i know, and the car isnt perfect, but what car is perfect? Mazda might not be helping much, but alot of people knew about the problems before buying the car, and i think that if you did know about these things and still bought it, then you have no room to complain. I was an educated buyer when i bought my MSP, and if you were too, then shut up and sell the car if youre just going to complain about problems you already knew about.
hrm... only helpful thing i took from this forum is that ppl expect human made things to be perfect, and when its not they b**** b**** b**** whine whine b**** b**** b**** and b**** some more then whine a lil and b**** more. NO CAR i dont care how much u pay for it goes without problems. your always gonna run into something here or there. Either u speak up and get it fixed or deal with it, and if it pisses u off and u hate the car that much then do just that take a loss get the rsx type-s and i garentee u'll run into just as many if not more problems...
Ryan said:
That is true. But what many of us are saying on here is that we love the car too much to get rid of it, yet hate it too much to quit bitching. I can accept some "problems" (rusty rotor hubs, speakers going out, stereo not working, coolant leak, security alarm on the fritz, etc etc) but I cannot accept the BASIC F-ing problems that this car has. Despite what KY implied in an ealier post, it is NOT difficult to program a decent fuel curve, NA or turbo! If a bunch of engineers did what he implied and sat down in a room and said "lets program this thing rich as a pig because we want to avoid knock at all costs," they are the worst group of engineers in world history and for that we have every right to b****. Christ, the whole fuel-injection system relies on oxygen sensors in the exhaust to determine if the air-to-fuel ratio is correct, and these injectors can react in split-second intervals to adjust the mix -- its "technology" that is as old as the hills and yet Mazda couldn't get it right.
Now if Mazda comes through and fixes the fuel problem, I (and your engine) will be very greatful. As far as the clunk goes, I can understand it being a problem initially but not 2 or 3 years later after it first appears. It should have been fixed by now, plain and simple. Mazda's just making the same mistakes over and over and over, which is inexcusable.
Peace guys - I respect all of ya'lls opinions.
Street KingFD
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Ryan said:
Hey now, I can be pist all I want. I actually do have a right to be pist off. Clunk and turbo screech aren't part of what this car is supposed to be. I don't hate the car that much to get rid of it just yet. Clunk is ok and hesitation is fine as long as a fix is on the way but at 9k miles ant the turbo starts screeching like it's being oil starved, that's a no no my friend, no oil on metal to metal parts is not a good thing. As long as they, Mazda, corrects these problems, it's fine. It's not fine when they refuse to acknowledge these problems and don't do anything about it, it also doesn't help when Mazda's customer service tells you no they won't warranty it before you even tell them the problem. I seriously doubt if we bit the bullet and got an RSX S type that we would have as many problems as the MSP has. We wouldn't have the clunk nor a hesitation, stereo turning off, screeching. I mean come on the alignment was off coming from the factory, lol! Anyways, enjoy your car.
Street KingFD said:
no you wouldn't have these problems but u'd have a whole nother line of problems.. trust me, clunk is famous it was on the mp3 madza didn't learn but will fix it no problems... sterio turning off? um... never heard anyone have that problem... hesitation is being fixed with a reflash and ontop of that joe made a fix for it asap. so why complain if mazda doesn't have a fix when someone else made one no biggy. ur bitching about problems that have already had fixes for quite some time and the turbo does sound like a screeching least mine does it sounds like a whistle - screech sound and its badass thats not oil starvations after breakin it sounds like this.. but breakin for various ppl have happened at different mileage.. climate has alot to do with it as well. bitching at the forum is no real way to go about solving ur problems becuz everything u have said has had a fix sept the screeching that you think is oil starvation which i find hard to believe not saying ur opinion isn't creditable but the turbo is definately gonna sound different from car to car.
b**** at the people that will get the fix for you, and thats mazda. If you modded ur car, and they void the warranty thats ur fault not theirs they have every right to void it.. but who gives a s*** just pay the money have it fixed. Thats like a guy on another thread installed injen cai and it started making his car stall i can just about garentee the reason it was staling was becuz the turbo side of the intake wasn't tightened down enuf with the clamps and it popped loose just like mine did after about 15 mins but i fixed it. if not then he prolly screwed up the maf taking it off the stock airbox, which hate to be honost but its not really that hard to screw up the maf if ur not careful. my sub just went out... but you dont see me complaining and bitching about it.. cuz personally i dont give a s*** i was gonna replace it in a few weeks anyways. so who cares.
u've listed 3 problems go read some of the honda forums look at the all the problems the rsx is having there just as bad. and look at mitsu while ur at it, check out the evo's problems and also look at the problems ppl are getting with the wrx and sti.
all cars have problems.
Street KingFD
Member
They knew it was going to be there if they used the exact same suspension. I know the clunk is famous, hense why Mazda should have had it fixed by now.
Me niether, but other people have.
Hesitation is being fixed, well that's what Mazda is telling us so far but has your car been flashed yet or any one elses car besides 1 or 2 in teh U.S. been flashed yet? I'am still waiting... What does that say about Mazda that Joe fixed a problem they couldn't. His BC I guess is what you are talking about, but that means I won't be able to take my car to get service with out it being void. I don't even mod this car, my gf drives it most of the time. I don't even care to mod this car because it's performance is fine for a daily driver.
Like I said, the clunk isn't fixed yet, hesitation is still in the workings, and now the turbo problem. I know the sound a turbo makes, I've heard many from T-66, T-25's, T04S, R, and E's, TD06's, BB or not, blah blah blah, just a lot of them. This sound emmiting from the turbo I have never heard, break in or no break in. This isn't the waste gate dumping the pressure nor is it the sound the normally comes from the turbo, but like I said, i'am taking it down and we will see what a Mazda tech will say.
I wasn't trying to solve my problem by posting on this forum. I was just venting and making aware of my problems so other people can see them and be able to make a decision or troubleshoot their problems. Again all these problems you say already have fixes, I think everyone is still waiting on thse fixes.
That's exactly what I'am going to do, b**** at mazda. My car isn't modified in any way but I will say that if it's not my fault I'am not going to 'just pay for it', money doesn't grow off trees. About that guy, I guess, I don't know his situation.
What exactly does that tell you that part of the stereo system blew in not even double digit miles(either it was crap to begin with or you have to much juice to it). Mines not blown but if and when it goes, you bet I'am getting it replaced by Mazda free. You may not care but others do.
Yes 3 problems, minor and major. RSX was just one car we were looking at, I used it as part of me saying I might move on past the MSP. I would never buy a Mitsubishi product, except a turbo.
Well all cars at some time in life WILL have a problem, but no there shouldn't be this many problems with 9k on my odometer, imagine this car at 50k miles.
I don't get it, it's like you already sold yourself short and EXPECT problems with new cars. This convo was never about any other car manufacture out there, it was with Mazda's quality control which needs work. Just look on this first page of the MSP forum, you will see.no becuz its the first line, every cars first year has problems im not selling myself short but they've all been fixed or have fixes... NO im not talkign about joes bc lol im talking about the reducer which can be easily removed b4 u take it in. the clunk fix take it to mazda they'll gladly fix it no if's and's or but's. thats a fixed issue, the sub, most ppl would rather upgrade than to have it replaced so why even deal with mazda on this, when ur gonna upgrade it anyways.. why worry, if u want factory sound well most factory cars dotn have subs so just pretend its not there hell its only 8" i didn't even know it was out till i put my head in the trunk to get something out... other speakers are loud enuf to drown it out.
im not selling myself short i just don't need it when im gonna replace it why even deal with mazda and wait a week for it to come in when i can go down the street adn have something custom done which is what most ppl will eventually do anyways.. all first year cars are gonna have problems.. becuz they release cars to quick.. they dont test them long enuf. oh well its the price u pay as a company. and mazda is not the only company to have problems. all of the problems have been fixed the sterio turning off issue will be fixed if u goto dealership they'll get ya a new one big deal. u just havent been to the dealer to get them fixed. and im in double digit miles and only had my car 4 months ;op shows u the use im getting out of it. and at 50k miles my car will not look nor behave anything like a stock msp.. so i dont suspect i'll be runnign into 50k mile problems either
im not selling myself short i just don't need it when im gonna replace it why even deal with mazda and wait a week for it to come in when i can go down the street adn have something custom done which is what most ppl will eventually do anyways.. all first year cars are gonna have problems.. becuz they release cars to quick.. they dont test them long enuf. oh well its the price u pay as a company. and mazda is not the only company to have problems. all of the problems have been fixed the sterio turning off issue will be fixed if u goto dealership they'll get ya a new one big deal. u just havent been to the dealer to get them fixed. and im in double digit miles and only had my car 4 months ;op shows u the use im getting out of it. and at 50k miles my car will not look nor behave anything like a stock msp.. so i dont suspect i'll be runnign into 50k mile problems either
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Street KingFD
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Ryan said:no becuz its the first line, every cars first year has problems im not selling myself short but they've all been fixed or have fixes... NO im not talkign about joes bc lol im talking about the reducer which can be easily removed b4 u take it in. the clunk fix take it to mazda they'll gladly fix it no if's and's or but's. thats a fixed issue, the cd player, most ppl would rather upgrade than to have it replaced so why even deal with mazda on this, when ur gonna upgrade it anyways.. why worry, if u want factory sound well most factory cars dotn have subs so just pretend its not there hell its only 8" i didn't even know it was out till i put my head in the trunk to get something out... other speakers are loud enuf to drown it out.
im not selling myself short i just don't need it when im gonna replace it why even deal with mazda and wait a week for it to come in when i can go down the street adn have something custom done which is what most ppl will eventually do anyways.. all first year cars are gonna have problems.. becuz they release cars to quick.. they dont test them long enuf. oh well its the price u pay as a company. and mazda is not the only company to have problems. all of the problems have been fixed the sterio turning off issue will be fixed if u goto dealership they'll get ya a new one big deal. u just havent been to the dealer to get them fixed. and im in double digit miles and only had my car 4 months ;op shows u the use im getting out of it. and at 50k miles my car will not look nor behave anything like a stock msp.. so i dont suspect i'll be runnign into 50k mile problems either
Must have felt passionate about that post to post it twice.
Listen, you may want something custom done, I DO NOT. I want what came in the car when I first took it for a test drive. Yeah sure they will get me a new stereo head, but is that a fix or a band aid. It's just going to go out couple weeks later anyways. Mazda isn't the only company to ever have problems but I own a Mazda therefore I'am talking about Mazdas quality control. If everyones quality control is the same, there wouldn't be JD Power Quality awards given or any other awards given and even then no one would say this car is reliable get this car if quality control wasn't an issure. I sure hope it's an issue of Mazda if they ever want to get back on top of the import cars game in sales. The use you are getting out of it? Of course it's going to still roll on 4 wheels on it's own power still. Miles doesn't mean you don't have any problems. Oh but you will run into problems, trust me, it's just a a given and a certian amount of time. Round and round we go...well i am talking about others quality control cuz your acting like mazda has hte most problems and fact is just not true mazda's problems are minor compared to ford cars catching on fire and some other things going on.. but this is going in circles and pointless so ive said my peice. if you want it stock then go get ur s*** fixed at mazda and dont worry if you dont like the car then ditch it and get a whole other set of problems up to you.
Street KingFD
Member
Ryan said:
Blah blah blah, I still want to slap Mazda.
Ryan, I am sorry, but you are a MORON! If you think all cars these days have a similar number of issues as the MSP, I am going to put 4 wheels on 1 of my turds and sell it to you. You keep saying that ALL cars have a bunch of problems like this and that is :bs: plain and simple! I bought a Saturn the FIRST year it came out and like the large majority of the other people that bought it, I had zero (0) problems with the car! It IS NOT "normal" for a first year car to have problems -- and if you think so you have been completely brain-washed.
And look at the problems that the MSP has -- you CANNOT get more basic!! THAT is what is so frustrating -- an air-to-fuel curve? Come on! A couple of bushings? Piece of cake! How can these be problems on a modern car -- and how can the clunk STILL be a problem after 2-3 years?! Sure you can get the bushings replaced on warrenty -- but what about AFTER warrenty?! And WHY would ANY bushing s***-out after just 3000 miles?! And who wants to go to the dealership every 3000 miles?! That's :bs: and anybody who says it's not has the lowest standards in the world.
And NO, Joe's FPR does NOT "fix" the hesistation -- it merely "helps" it. The hesitation IS still there. Not to mention that as soon as you do that your warranty is capput -- and a normal car buyer shouldn't have to be forced to play the games of constantly intalling/unistalling his own "fixes" whenever he needs to go in for warranty work.
You are a car company's dream customer. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to offend or belittle you with this post, but it is just amazing to me that a normal customer is taking the stance you're taking. The only reason the big problems with other manufacturers seems more severe is because they actually have the balls to come forward with a fix, and a "severe" problem like a car starting on fire gets more press even if it happens to a very small minority of the car's owners. You seem to be glossing over that fact.
And look at the problems that the MSP has -- you CANNOT get more basic!! THAT is what is so frustrating -- an air-to-fuel curve? Come on! A couple of bushings? Piece of cake! How can these be problems on a modern car -- and how can the clunk STILL be a problem after 2-3 years?! Sure you can get the bushings replaced on warrenty -- but what about AFTER warrenty?! And WHY would ANY bushing s***-out after just 3000 miles?! And who wants to go to the dealership every 3000 miles?! That's :bs: and anybody who says it's not has the lowest standards in the world.
And NO, Joe's FPR does NOT "fix" the hesistation -- it merely "helps" it. The hesitation IS still there. Not to mention that as soon as you do that your warranty is capput -- and a normal car buyer shouldn't have to be forced to play the games of constantly intalling/unistalling his own "fixes" whenever he needs to go in for warranty work.
You are a car company's dream customer. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to offend or belittle you with this post, but it is just amazing to me that a normal customer is taking the stance you're taking. The only reason the big problems with other manufacturers seems more severe is because they actually have the balls to come forward with a fix, and a "severe" problem like a car starting on fire gets more press even if it happens to a very small minority of the car's owners. You seem to be glossing over that fact.
YellowMSP4KP
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Something I'm curious about....I read every road test and review of this car I could find before I bought it, and nowhere did they mention the hesitation. How could they not feel it? My car didn't have it when I first bought it, but within 100 miles it was there, probably because the dealer reset the ecu. Has anyone seen a road test where they question this problem?
(stupid)
You must be ******* kiddin me. I planned on getting new wheels when i bought the car, so who gives a **** if the stock ones FELL off? Or the carbon fiber hood i plan on getting...who cares if the stock hood blows off the car at 90mph...or how about the exhaust, what if it just fell off down the road, big deal, right? i was gonna get aftermarket exhaust anyhow. now what if down the road, i decided not to get these things, then i guess im just A HUGE ******* MORON FOR THINKING A BRAND NEW CAR SHOULD BE A PIECE OF s***!!!
Did you guys check out this tread?
http://www.protege5.com/vbb225/show...796&perpage=15&highlight=screech&pagenumber=1
On the second page the tread originator said that after every thing was replaced he still had the screech.
My car screechs between 4K-5.5k rpms and has done this since the first day I had it till now, at 1700 miles. It mostly does it when its hot. I thought it was normal.
STREET KING FD, please keep us posted on this issue.
http://www.protege5.com/vbb225/show...796&perpage=15&highlight=screech&pagenumber=1
On the second page the tread originator said that after every thing was replaced he still had the screech.
My car screechs between 4K-5.5k rpms and has done this since the first day I had it till now, at 1700 miles. It mostly does it when its hot. I thought it was normal.
STREET KING FD, please keep us posted on this issue.
girth said:
a saturn a ******* saturn are you kidding me.. thats like comparing a friggin green bean to a apple.. ur the moron. you can't compare a econo box that put puts, to a msp or any other semi performance car, at least pic a car in the class range. like ford focus or vw gti or something in the same class. im the moron yet u compare it to a saturn? lol.. yeah right.
the bushings dont s*** out after 3000 miles dip its either there when you got it or its not. alot of ppl just dont notice it cuz there blasting the sterio etc.. its not like your antisway bar is gonna jump out the back of the car and fly through someone windshield the car has a clunk. omg im gonna run around fearing s*** cuz of a clunk? its not even loud.. all cars have rattles and clunks most ppl just dont notices them i find these ppl to be very picky and if mazda will replace it no hassel why even worry about it?
and joes fpr does completely get rid of it well for me it did and everyone else it has, and if your smart enuf to put it on ur smart enuf to take it off b4 u take it to the dealer. its that simple. a fix is a fix reguardless who releases it. when mazda's reflash comes out i'll just take the fpr off have it reflash problems still fixed. the fact is ur just to ******* lazy u wanna mod your car and then take it for warranty work and they void ur warranty. well boo hoo, lazy **** shoulda uninstalled it.. not everyone elses problem.
there is no severe problems i had the clunk fixed the first day i had no problem, thats all i have ever had problesm with and the hesitation oh big fuckign deal pay 20 bucks get a reducer its fixed until mazda gets the official fix. if you dont wanna pay it then deal with the hesitation. least my car isn't catching on fire. but hey.. whatever.. im the dream customer cuz i dont b**** on the forum about it, i jsut take the car and get it fixed who gives a s***? u guys act like becuz im not on here bitching about my problems that i dont get them fixed and thats just not true.
you should ask if i even had the problems and if i ever got them fixed b4 u start bitching and assuming s***.. and you wonder why so many ppl are leaving the forum. cuz there sick of hearing all the bitching and moaning about stupid s*** that never needs to be mentioned unless the dealer plain and simply wont fix it. we've all known about these issues most of use have known b4 we even baught the car. if u know then why buy the car and then b****. just doesn't make any dayum sense at all. I love the car yeah it has a few problems big deal there minor and the one that is major mazda is fixing. u act like there gonna charge u 500 billion dollars for a reflash, it'll take like 30 seconds to hook ur car up and hit the button and boom problem fixed.
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RazorP5 said:
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You must be ******* kiddin me. I planned on getting new wheels when i bought the car, so who gives a **** if the stock ones FELL off? Or the carbon fiber hood i plan on getting...who cares if the stock hood blows off the car at 90mph...or how about the exhaust, what if it just fell off down the road, big deal, right? i was gonna get aftermarket exhaust anyhow. now what if down the road, i decided not to get these things, then i guess im just A HUGE ******* MORON FOR THINKING A BRAND NEW CAR SHOULD BE A PIECE OF s***!!!
i didn't say the stock car was a peice of s*** but its a ******* sub not these major problems now u guys are just thinking up s*** for the hell of it but whatever make urself look stupid by bitching over and over and over.. whatever.. why b**** here b**** to mazda if u got the problem, i did and they fixed it. ur looking to the wrong place.
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