So our car isn't the only one...

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My friend just bought an Evo this last weekend and doing some homework for him I have found that our car isn't the only one programmed with "pig-rich" fuel conditions under boost. I got this information while reading an article on http://www.evolutionm.net

This is a quote from an article on their website in reference to their project Evo: "We've all experienced the amazing surge of power from the 16G twin-scroll turbo as the Evo reaches ~19psi @ 3,500 rpms. It's an amazing jolt that pushes you back into your seat. The problem is, there's not much steam left in her up top and that can really put a damper on things, especially for those of use who enjoy running through the gears or track events, where a smooth, linear powerband is essential.

So why is this the case? Well, in an effort to play it safe, Mitsubishi has designed the ECU to run the Evo extremely rich for knock suppression... somewhere in the neighborhood of < 9.5:1 in the upper rpms! Most a/f meters won't even register the number because it's off the scale rich. The good news is that with a few small modifications and careful tuning, there's a decent amount of whp that can be safely extracted."

It goes on to say that they get help from Vishnu Performance to re-program their ECU and/or use a piggy to extract maximum power and efficency, blah blah blah and that this was only one of the various upgrade packages available. Vishnu has done this for other cars as well, like the WRX and Miata.

My point is that we need someone like Vishnu to help us out. I know Perf was working on this exact type of thing, but I think I remember him saying that he doesn't have time to do it anymore. We as Mazdaspeed owners should all contact companies like this and request that they do this for our car. I have to believe that if there is enough requests for this, something might budge. What do you guys think?
 
My buddy has that Vishnu reprogram on his ECU. He says it's a night and day difference... and the dealer will NEVER know :D

He just sent the ecu in again to get reflashed and they upped the boost on this last flash. This should put him close to or over the 300 hp mark. :D
 
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by Alan G. Hefner
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Vishnu is regarded as a major god in Hinduism and Indian mythology. He is thought as the preserver of the universe while two other major Hindu gods Brahma and Shiva, are regarded respectively, as the creator and destroyer of the universe.
 
Well running rich like that is better than the alternative. Look at the sti, detonates right from the factory.
 
I think I also read on srt-4 forums that it runs really rich up top also to protect the engine. I think that a lot of factory turbo cars must run rich to protect the engine because the manufacturer knows that the owner or driver may put it crap fuel and have bad things happen.
 
you mazdaspeed guys should get Vishnu Tuning to make some maps and his piggyback available for you guys. Just reading the capabilities on that computer makes it sound so good!
 
A problem with running that rich is the fuel washes down the cylinder walls and causes increased ring wear. I'll be surprised if we get more than 60k miles before the car starts smoking.
 
THe Problem with getting a "static flash" is there is no ability to "fine tune" the map's, due to weather/elevation/driving conditions. If you dont leave your city, dont have major temp changes, and dont drive 3 different types of racing, you would be fine. You need to resend the ECU in every time you add a new mod, have a major temp change, ect ect.

Im not saying this is a BAD thing, but not what alot of people like having, after they get it, and want to add a new item to the power side of the car.

Think long and hard about getting something like this done on any car, as it cannot be set back to the way it was before, and can only be changed by the company that reprogrammed the ecu.
 
Well, since your ECU already compensates for altitude, temp, etc. the re-flashed ECU takes that into account also.

I had a Vishnu reflashed ECU in my WRX and it gave the car a 25hp kick. Everyone that drove the car comented how it felt much better and faster than a stock one (that's the only power mod I had in the car). It improved the car's behavior at low revs a TON!
The ECU still retained all its features and learning behavior and temp/altitude/etc compensation. If anything, he gave the ECU a larger range to paly with. The WRX ECU will advance timing up to a limit as it learns how you drive and the gas you use. Shiv gave the ECU a higher limit, but kept the ability of the ECU to retard back upon knock, etc.

The only drawback of the reflash was that if you did more mods, you'd have to send the ECU again so that he can tune it for the new mods.

If Shiv would offer this for the Protege, you guys should be all over it.
 

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