So Boosting Our MSP's is not good..??

[AutoBox]

yeh garretts line of gt series turbos are larger then the t series....larger housing and wheels..more follow...im gonna print the catalop from garret tomorrow at work (48 pages would dry my ink out at home) and see what the specs are...and ill check out my stock turbo this weekend....but im 100% sure at this point on my theroy

 

[ThrillRide]

where in the catalog did you see a t25?

 

[AutoBox]

i havent found a full catalog of what garret makes ...the catalop on their site is only for tge gt series turbos.....

 

[ThrillRide]

right on. keep me posted. i'll check more as well.

 

[kwiktsi]

I'd like to only reply to the lower part of your post...

We agree that it is not efficient, but heatsoaking an IC like that will cause it to run out of cooling ability and you might actually loose HP right before you detonate or worse Blow.

Again I would like to ask that this not be turned into a Flamewar.

Thanks...Brian

I'm not trying to flame you at all- I appreciate your knowledge- you seem to be one of the few here that has any clue what you are talking about ..

I am just stating personal experience and what I have seen.. I have seen T25 equipped DSM's run in the upper 12's (when people said they would never even it 13's) with no wastegate line- so you get to a point where the power increse outweighs the inefficencies (sp?).. Ther ecomes a time where you just toss the compressor map and all "common" logic aside and you just go with what is working .
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

As I thought, You really don't know. (laugh)

It's strong, but the boost levels you are talking about remind me of those T.V. Commercials with engines running with no oil in them. Painful and bound to fail shortly. (stoned)

I like that one- however, in the quest for "sleeper" speed, reliability is not always a concern ..
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

Yes, good maintenance is the key to turbo life. But more load will wear out that piece sooner. I'm not saying that you shouldnt do it... just don't expect it to last if you drive it harder.

(thumb)

Agreed- if you push a turbo twice as hard, realistically, you should expect it to live half as long- if you are lucky . I have had to take the downpipes off my DSM't to dump the turbine wheels out of them .
Joe

 

[low_psi]

haha, i'd cry if i had to do that joe

 

[Mr. Win]

I'm not trying to flame you at all- I appreciate your knowledge- you seem to be one of the few here that has any clue what you are talking about ..

I am just stating personal experience and what I have seen.. I have seen T25 equipped DSM's run in the upper 12's (when people said they would never even it 13's) with no wastegate line- so you get to a point where the power increse outweighs the inefficencies (sp?).. Ther ecomes a time where you just toss the compressor map and all "common" logic aside and you just go with what is working .
Joe

agreed the rest just chime in with crap, Then slowly proven wrong and some vanish. I chime in when i have personal experince or opinon; tons of good info had coem from this thread wheater you choose to believe it or not. I mean honestly id never buy an msp it seems to me to be like a greddy bolt on that all thekids want on their civic that only add liek 55hp but theyve got turbo now uh oohh but seriously without serious mod the MSP is not the car i thought it was hyped to be but for the price the handlign and everything else is worth it.

 

[AutoBox]

yeh the msp has some potiential for good power.....honestly its not a drag car.....i dont think mazda ever meant for it to be.....hence the awesome handling

 

[1sty]

:wtf: How are we supposed to have any fun. Can they not handle the boost. Even If you do the normal mods like, FMIC, Hard pipe kit, New BOV, Exhaust, Boost Controller ? And only run it at 10psi.

Those mods don't make rasing the boost any safer.
Simply put, the car can handle 10 PSI if tuned right. However the factory ECU will not allow you to screw with things to the level of tuning it right.

 

[kwiktsi]

yeh the msp has some potiential for good power.....honestly its not a drag car.....i dont think mazda ever meant for it to be.....hence the awesome handling

The Volvo S 70 is not meant to be a drag car either- but my friends goes upper 12's at 113+ mph . Anything can be made to do anything you want it to- it all depends on your goals. I will admit though- there are much better choices than the MSP if you want a drag car, but there is nothing wrong with making something faster than it is and surprising some people .
Joe

 

[AutoBox]

The Volvo S 70 is not meant to be a drag car either- but my friends goes upper 12's at 113+ mph . Anything can be made to do anything you want it to- it all depends on your goals. I will admit though- there are much better choices than the MSP if you want a drag car, but there is nothing wrong with making something faster than it is and surprising some people .
Joe

oh yeh i def agree...i was basically sayin that...the msp is quick...can be made quick.....but not as easily then other cars...but its a monster on road tracks

 

[Brian MP5T]

I'm not trying to flame you at all- I appreciate your knowledge- you seem to be one of the few here that has any clue what you are talking about ..

I am just stating personal experience and what I have seen.. I have seen T25 equipped DSM's run in the upper 12's (when people said they would never even it 13's) with no wastegate line- so you get to a point where the power increse outweighs the inefficencies (sp?).. Ther ecomes a time where you just toss the compressor map and all "common" logic aside and you just go with what is working .
Joe

Kewl,

Everyone is quite anal with general statements. If a post is made with something left a little vague, everyone jumps on it and people get pisses. Rather than this... why not ask for clarification on the subject or discuss it further. People are supposed to be able to learn from this place. What better way than to behave like the adults we are. Flaming is fun but becoming a real piss off for me. I try to post the best information I have, and I get upset when dumb people who don't understand what they are talking about say BS and don't have anything to back themselves up. :wtf:

Later...Brian

 

[Brian MP5T]

agreed the rest just chime in with crap, Then slowly proven wrong and some vanish. I chime in when i have personal experince or opinon; tons of good info had coem from this thread wheater you choose to believe it or not. I mean honestly id never buy an msp it seems to me to be like a greddy bolt on that all thekids want on their civic that only add liek 55hp but theyve got turbo now uh oohh but seriously without serious mod the MSP is not the car i thought it was hyped to be but for the price the handlign and everything else is worth it.

Thanks, I really hate misinformation. Before I designed my system, I had to do so much reading and research on turbo systems. I am not Corkey Bell, I never claimed to be the god of spool, but I don't talk s*** and If I am proven wrong, I'm the first to back down. I have learned allot from this board. The info is only as good as the people who post it. The MSP is a really great car for the price, if everyone can just accept that it has limitations and that it isn't an EVO or STI, we can get on the tough subjects like forged internals, lower compression, higher boost levels and fixing the ******* fuel cut / hesitation etc...

Later...Brian

 

[Brian MP5T]

Re: Re: So Boosting Our MSP's is not good..??

Those mods don't make rasing the boost any safer.
Simply put, the car can handle 10 PSI if tuned right. However the factory ECU will not allow you to screw with things to the level of tuning it right.

I agree, without a more serious effort to modify the engine like internals and independent fuel control, this car seems to be limited to 10 Psi. It's not an EVO. The EVO has some really tricked out Knock management and other goodies that keep it from blowing up. MSPs are great, but need more work from the driver to make that fast. It's just because Mits has done more of the work for the driver at the factory.

Later...Brian

 

[Brian MP5T]

The Volvo S 70 is not meant to be a drag car either- but my friends goes upper 12's at 113+ mph . Anything can be made to do anything you want it to- it all depends on your goals. I will admit though- there are much better choices than the MSP if you want a drag car, but there is nothing wrong with making something faster than it is and surprising some people .
Joe

Absolutely,

My car is the personification of your last statement. It's a ******* P5, it was meant for little old ladies to get their medication in. There is no better feeling that pulling away from anybody who sees my car as this. They do a double take and say :wtf: ??

Ha!!!

Rubber side down.

 

[low_psi]

Re: Re: Re: So Boosting Our MSP's is not good..??

I agree, without a more serious effort to modify the engine like internals and independent fuel control, this car seems to be limited to 10 Psi. It's not an EVO. The EVO has some really tricked out Knock management and other goodies that keep it from blowing up. MSPs are great, but need more work from the driver to make that fast. It's just because Mits has done more of the work for the driver at the factory.

Later...Brian

I agree 100%. That's why I think the board went down hill with the MSP, cause NA Protege owners were busting their balls R&D'ing turbo kits, parts and tuning. A huge wave of non-turbo savy owners came in expecting the car to be gold. That's why I love seeing people like Turboge, DiscreetSpeed, Joe P etc come in and take risks, get some actual tuning done and really show what proper tuning can do for the MSP. It isn't as easy to tune as the aftermarket-turbo Proteges.

Until the majority of turbo-charged Protege owners(MSP and aftermarket) ante up to the tuning challenges, I think this community is going to be staggant. Its a lot of money to properly tune a car, but most of the owners here could afford it if they really wanted it done. Because there's really only the MPI Tuner and stand-alones available right now its become a big obstacle. People want a starting point for their tuning. Terry, the Nicks, Turboge and a few others really stepped up and without them we'd still be at square one with the MSP.

-sorry for the semi-rant.....

 

[Brian MP5T]

The MSP would be a much better car if Mazda had some kind of factory team support. Just look at Subaru and Mitz. Their R&D for the track has been put to the road in the form of some really fantastic cars. I still love my Mazda!!!

 

[yashooa]

The MSP would be a much better car if Mazda had some kind of factory team support. Just look at Subaru and Mitz. Their R&D for the track has been put to the road in the form of some really fantastic cars. I still love my Mazda!!!

Damn Bryan you speaketh the truth. If more dealers supported the modding community Mazda would most definitely sell more cars. Hmm let's see more support=more sales whod a thunk it I don't mean fix every thing that may, possibly break as a result of a mod. I mean stop treating people who install a boost gauge like they have committed the cardinal sin of car care. Damn, at least warranty the other surrounding parts that are not affected by the mod. Embrace your target audience.