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- 2002 BJFW, 2007 BK3P, 1979 SA22C, 2005 BK3P
we are the sole store that carries it. www.protegegarage.com. look for it on the "specials" side bar icon or in the mazdaspeed protege section of our site.lancebav said:
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If you have money to spend, go with Perrin. Look how big that core is! And, the piping is very direct, not much more piping than a regular hardpipe kit for a SMIC.
If you have money to spend, go with Perrin. Look how big that core is! And, the piping is very direct, not much more piping than a regular hardpipe kit for a SMIC.
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size of the core is meaningless in terms of flow rate and core efficiency. not that I have anything against big core sizes, but I use a BEGi small intercooler on my protege5 and its efficient beyond 20 psi on a t25 sized turbo by virtue of design and manufacture, not size.Bhamsan said:
Sure, its effiecient, but do you think that the gains from a BEGi will be more than a Perrin FMIC? Perrin's FMIC is an excellent design with less piping than a BEGi. I'm having a hard time believing that core size is irrelevant to power gains. Like I mentioned before, each person's goals are different, so don't try and discredit any product that you don't have because you think whatever about it. I have not told anyone to not buy a certain product, nor have I discredited any other product. I have suggested different products for its virtues, not vices.
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i am not discrediting anyone's design. core size is not anywhere near as relevant as many other factors that go into intercooler design. i was trying to point out not to look at core size as your prime factor in choosing an intercooler, using my own as an example. thats the biggest myth people have when it comes to intercoolers, that bigger is always better. i never said "perrin's design is garbage" anywhere in my post.Bhamsan said:
do i think BEGi's design will be better or more efficient? Can't say really. I have seen power and efficiency charts from a BEGi run. I have not from a Perrin run. I will say that it will be hard for any manufacturer to match a 2 psi increase in pressure over stock and 30% plus efficiency increase like the ones BEGi posted. Thats using the stock return pipe, so I will venture to say using the hardpipe the runs will be that much better. Corky Bell has been designing forced induction systems for the better part of thirty years now, and his numbers reflect that. I am eager to see the kinds of gains Perrin has to put out.
First smart post on here. The size of the core has NOTHING to do with the max psi. The only thing that matters for the max power (or psi) that an IC can handle is the flow rate (CFM). A small intercooler can hold 25psi if it has no restrictions on the channel. The only two benefits of an FMIC over an SMIC are size (which allows for more cooling surface area) and looks. There is so much misinformation it is rediculous. My message to the guy who started this post: look at the benefits of both the SMIC and FMIC upgrades (as they both have benefits and downsides), weigh those with your goals for your car, and then get the best option for you.Captain KRM P5 said:
My point is what jurgs said, you decide what you want to do with your car, and do it. **** what other people say or think. I did not say that you said any FMICs are garbage. I am just saying that I would rather have a bigger core for a higher boost application, but I guess I was wrong about that. Common sense might tell you that a FMIC with a core that big would cool better than a smaller one because of the giant core size. I pointed it out also because of looks, because Jurgs mentioned that it was one of the two benefits over a SMIC. The statement, "Look at the core size" infered nothing about it being a better quality FMIC. It just looks ******* bad ass.
I even PM'd you, Captain KRM P5, about a price for a BEGi FMIC kit with polished pipes, since you had told me before that you could have it made by special order. I'd like to order a BEGi FMIC kit because I'd rather have that and a GHL DP instead of a Perrin FMIC kit, and I'd like to get a price from you on that.
I think this is rather awkward too, since I got in an arguement with a fellow who had a Perrin FMIC and dissed on the BEGi FMIC, and now vice-versa. I guess I'm just stuck inbetween. I just don't like hearing people talking bad about any product over another, unless it's iON's customer service, then we can all agree that it is bulls***.
I even PM'd you, Captain KRM P5, about a price for a BEGi FMIC kit with polished pipes, since you had told me before that you could have it made by special order. I'd like to order a BEGi FMIC kit because I'd rather have that and a GHL DP instead of a Perrin FMIC kit, and I'd like to get a price from you on that.
I think this is rather awkward too, since I got in an arguement with a fellow who had a Perrin FMIC and dissed on the BEGi FMIC, and now vice-versa. I guess I'm just stuck inbetween. I just don't like hearing people talking bad about any product over another, unless it's iON's customer service, then we can all agree that it is bulls***.
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I sell both the Hiboost and the BEGi and think they both have good attributes to them. I did not mean to make it seem like there was an argument going on, so I apologize.Bhamsan said:
I am waiting to hear back from BEGi about polished pipes. I don't want to give you a bogus price
Answering questions about this intercooler is my top priority right now because I feel it is THAT good of a performance upgrade vs the other ones available.I should put a disclaimer in my sig that I don't intend to get involved in any aruements because first off, I know it's pretty much pointless to engage in any arguement on the internet.Captain KRM P5 said:I sell both the Hiboost and the BEGi and think they both have good attributes to them. I did not mean to make it seem like there was an argument going on, so I apologize.
I am waiting to hear back from BEGi about polished pipes. I don't want to give you a bogus price
I thought maybe you never got my PM. I'm not interested in hiboost, but I am very interested in a BEGi FMIC, but only with polished pipes. I want to keep my engine bay looking all pretty, and I'm not too keen on powedercoating (although if you like it, then I support you 100%[another disclaimer]). I really wanted a PErrin FMIC, but then I really sat down and analyzed the costs, and I'd much rather have a BEGi FMIC kit, because for the price of a Perrin FMIC, I could have a BEGi FMIC, GHL Turboback DP, and some shifter bushings. Not saying anything is wrong with Perrin, I just can't afford it because like someone just mentioned, its pretty damn expensive for someone that is going to school and doesn't have a job.
A forum member IMed me today and asked me about the hiboost FMIC kit and I sent him your way to www.protegegarage.com. I'm pretty much set on a BEGi FMIC kit now. Please post something or get back to my PM when you hear about the prices for polished pipes.
just because there is no real price difference looking at a good quality smic, i'd say yes to gettin a front mount. i'd say the begi, just because it does have the best specs. probably worth springing for that extra pipe as well for the hundred somethin bucks it is
I disagree. I had the CS SMIC on my car right through the summer. It gets hot in CT in the summer. The CS SMIC delivers noticeable gains at stock boost with stock pipes. The only issue is that its relatively expensive and doesn't work with the Turbohoses hardpipes.mx3ownzj00 said:
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