SMIC Heatsoak

[BOOSTR]

Just get whatever you can find the best deal on. Either one is light years ahead of what you have now. Its really that simple.

 

[rocketr2]

cant we hook up a co2 cooler on the upgraded SMIC ?

 

[crashkelly]

cant we hook up a co2 cooler on the upgraded SMIC ?

Anything is possible...But back to this heatsoaking...I dunno if its different with other SMICs but I drive my car hard summer and winter and like i said before i have never suffered heat soak with Turbohoses(probably the favorite of my mods so far). The one major thing I can definately agree with JDMSam on is that it cost me just as much for this setup as it wouldve cost for a FMIC of the same engineering quality...in combination with the exhaust and the SMIC/hardpipes the turbolag is small....IMHO id say that is the most major concern...you may get more lag with a FMIC(with only small to moderate mods), but for high horsepower apps you will need it and the price between systems is very comparable. And FMIC's do look dope. You really have to build toward your ultimate goal...and if you dont have an ultimate goal id say get the FMIC so you can leave room for that "what if..." if you decide you want more hp.

 

[crashkelly]

PS. I love my turbohoses and wouldnt trade it for anything!

 

[Professor MSP]

I do not have a FMIC nor have I driven a MSP that has one installed, so I will remain silent on that matter.

I do, however, have a Turbo Hoses SMIC and hardpipes. I live in Florida like DAWIV, and like him too, I have not experienced heatsoak to any significant degree. From the beginning, and until recently, I had a homemade intercooler water sprayer hooked up, and I am confident that it was responsible, at least in part, for the absence of heatsoak. I now have a progressive alcohol/water injection system instead of the intercooler sprayer, and it works like a charm! Outside of my Unichip, the Turbo Hoses SMIC/hardpipes upgrade yielded the greatest performance increase (though I have yet to have the Unichip retuned for the alcohol/water injection).

One less expensive way to go is to purchase a used SMIC/hardpipes combo, and then purchase my complete homemade intercooler sprayer . This is sure to keep heatsoak at a minimum. Also for just a few hundred dollars (the money you save by buying used), you can purchase a simple alcohol/water injection system.

 

[GhostMercury]

whats the difference between a co2 sprayer and a alcohol/water injection system.

 

[Jaysanooch]

whats the difference between a co2 sprayer and a alcohol/water injection system.

Ya I was going to ask the same thing. Actually, this has got me thinking now....It would be great to find a mini Co2 sprayer system to fit the smic....that would solve heat soak/if ever and avoid the fmic turbo lag.

Man, if this works/helps, I'm all exited now because I really don't want a fmic/lag since I really do plan on modding more and more down the road.

 

[smo0f]

going a bit off topic. but i just want to say hi to jaysanooch. proceed as normal. thanks

 

[JDM Sam]

C02 sprays C02 to chill the fins on the core. Water or alcohol injection injects a mist into the intake tract to cool the air charge and combustion chamber temps to resist detonation/knock.

 

[GhostMercury]

does it do this automatically or do you have to press a button? and how much are alcohol injection systems. and are they hard to install?

 

[Jaysanooch]

going a bit off topic. but i just want to say hi to jaysanooch. proceed as normal. thanks

Ya just a bit...lol! What's up there Mr.BMW!? I'll see you soon hopefully..I'm coming down the 23rd most likely. Anyway sorry guys...let's "proceed as normal".

 

[JDM Sam]

does it do this automatically or do you have to press a button? and how much are alcohol injection systems. and are they hard to install?

On sprayers/chillers, it all depends on each unit. They all have various activation methods.

Alky injection has its own controller and pump. It's a technically oriented installation for alcohol injection. It's in depth and similar to a wet shot nitrous system install but more detailed. It does require some tuning to work properly and safely. It's safe to say if you aren't sure what to do, you will need to consult someone who has experience. I know Snow Performance kits start from $400 up.

 

[Professor MSP]

I agree with Sam's summary of these deviceshe is one knowledgeable fellow. If I were located closer to his shop, I would definitely take my car to him to optimize my Unichip tune for the alcohol/water injection system.

My homemade IC water sprayer worked off a momentary button (I think that's what its called), meaning I pushed a simple button in the cockpit to activate the pump and thereby spray a mist of water on the IC fins.

Here are some places to learn about alcohol/water injection systems:

http://www.geocities.com/rad87gn/tech/alcohol.html
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/alcohol-nitrous-propane-tech/
http://forums.evolutionm.net/forumdisplay.php?f=173
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=189
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=145
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1861801

There are stickies at the top of the alcohol/water injection sections of the above forums that contain basic information about alcohol/water injection systems.

A few suppliers of said systems are (among others):

http://coolingmist.com/
http://snowperformance.net/
http://www.enginerunup.com/index.php

I purchsed a progressive 150 psi system from Engine Run-upits comprised of a Coolingmist controller and Shurflo pump made to Coolingmist specifications, with other parts choosen/made by Engine Run-up. I believe that you can pick up a simple system for about $200 these days.

Hope this helps. By the way, even though the installation of the alcohol/water injection system is a bit technical, I found it a great learning experience. If you read the installation instructions many times before the install, and are patient and take your time, it is not terribly difficult to install a system.

Hope this helps.

 

[69RMSP]

Sub'n

Sam are you ever gonna show us whats under your hood?

 

[GhostMercury]

i still want to get a co2 sprayer for my smic. i will have to find an actualy sprayer that will fit

 

[JDM Sam]

Sub'n

Sam are you ever gonna show us whats under your hood?

There's nothing to see. It's what inside that counts! (lol2)

 

[69RMSP]

im sure ppl wanna see how you ran the pipes for your fmic and the dimension of the core .

It would of been nice if you lived in toronto, so you could tune my speed

There's nothing to see. It's what inside that counts! (lol2)

 

[CustomMSP]

All it takes is wrapping the Hot Side IC Pipe with some good quality heat insulation tape/sleeve to eliminate pretty much any possibility of heatsoak with aftermarket SMICs. That's where most of the heat comes from, and the SMIC has to work overtime to cool the absorbed heat through the Hot Side IC Pipe off.

 

[GhostMercury]

CustomMSP do you know of any intercooler sprayers(Co2) that will fit your smic. cause i will be picking your smic up from ken and start looking for a sprayer soon after

 

[BOOSTR]

If thats the route you want to go, all you need to do is measure it and anyone that offers a kit will make it to that dimension. Before you do that install his smic and see if you need it.