Seriously PISSED at JL AUDIO!
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I C.. sorry get a little confused there.. I was bout to say.. well. that sucks.. guess they should have supported ya. then you woudl get betting A instead of B. I agree not smart.. oh well. nothing you can do now. just keep trying. and warning people.1st MP3 in NH said:
or you can get a newer copy of the form. 1st has one that is old. or he just doent know how to read.
I can read, just no type or spell worth crap (rofl)byohndspeed said:
Any ways your right, my form listed nothing about B-stock amps. However if this rumor is true then the forms will have to all say that everything is B-stock now. I'll have to check for a new form.
thats sucks, but dude, you're getting JL equipment for 70% off!
if it has a tiny scratch, who cares. if i had the option, i'd be buying up everything i could. refurbished doesnt mean its crap. it had a defect and was sent to JL and corrected and then you buy it for nothing basically. sometimes the defects are stupid ass s***.
i have bought refurbished s*** before and it works great. as long as you take care of your equipment once you get it, it should be fine.
the bulls*** part is that it should say you're getting b-stock in the contract. that is the only bulls***.
if it has a tiny scratch, who cares. if i had the option, i'd be buying up everything i could. refurbished doesnt mean its crap. it had a defect and was sent to JL and corrected and then you buy it for nothing basically. sometimes the defects are stupid ass s***.
i have bought refurbished s*** before and it works great. as long as you take care of your equipment once you get it, it should be fine.
the bulls*** part is that it should say you're getting b-stock in the contract. that is the only bulls***.
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Its a case of not knowing what you have till its gone. I agree its a good deal still and as long as the forms properly reflect the policy I am totaly fine with it although I will never use it. However if you compare it to the deal of getting A-stock for the same price then its a really bad deal.got wake? said:for what you pay, as long as the equipment works properly and doesn't have bad cosmetic defects, it's still a helluva deal(uhm) i'm not saying it's cool of them to only offer b-stock, but i'd still take it over paying retail for a-stock
When I was working for a shop, we would get brand new SoundStream products for 60% off of retail and Kenwood's dealer accomodation was even better, although I never cared that much for them. I don't know if it has changed since, but it seems as if JL wants dealers and their employees to buy their products and show it off, they would give you new amps versus scratched up refurbished ones.
BINGO!!!!MisterT said:
JL is certainly not the only manufacturer offering a great employee program. Damn near everyone does. Eclipse matches them on speakers plus its all A-stock.
All manufacturers offer some discount. JL, Alpine, Eclipse, Boston Acoustics, Xtant, Kenwood, Panasonic, Clarion, ect. As you can tell, manufacturers compete for our favor at the store level. They want employees to use their product so we know it and push it. The other part of the issue here is that although I got a good JL discount even if its a B stock amp, for the same money I could have got an equaly good, A-stock amp. SO in essence its in no way a good deal for me. Especialy since that contract says I can not sell any of it within one year. However I consider that contract void by there lack of disclosure.
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Actually I could care less because I don't use their products. But, this is a question of business eithics. If my company gave me a 70% discount in an effort to keep me loyal to their products (thus not shopping at competitors) I would absolutely buy form them every time I needed to. It's not so much about $$$, it's about having pride in the s*** you sell! Trust me, I'm a personal trainer and I HAVE to sell myself to my customers, and take pride in it or else I don't work...plain and simple!!!
Now if I found out someone I held in high regard was pulling one over on me, I would totally call :bs: on them and tell them to kiss my (butt). Not to mention being totaly embarrassed, too.
How many times has someone ignorant to car audio bought JL products just because of the name (MTV Cribs!!) or someone who you trust for their expertise (like 1st) has recommend the product. Hell, I almost bought JL components based on his advice! The power of suggestion is extremely powerful.
Don't get me wrong, the product quality spakes for itself, but I guarantee that the executives over at JL know EXACTLY what they are doing.
I agree that it's up to the consumer to realize that you get what you pay for...but 1st has every right to be pissed and to post his frustrations about being lied to!!
If I was 1st I would hold a auction right in front of company hq too...bastards!!!(rant)
Aaaaa that felt great.....I think I'm done now....next....
BTW Craig, did you get my order for a grounding kit? Sent it the other day to your regular e-mail address.
Actually I could care less because I don't use their products. But, this is a question of business eithics. If my company gave me a 70% discount in an effort to keep me loyal to their products (thus not shopping at competitors) I would absolutely buy form them every time I needed to. It's not so much about $$$, it's about having pride in the s*** you sell! Trust me, I'm a personal trainer and I HAVE to sell myself to my customers, and take pride in it or else I don't work...plain and simple!!!
Now if I found out someone I held in high regard was pulling one over on me, I would totally call :bs: on them and tell them to kiss my (butt). Not to mention being totaly embarrassed, too.
How many times has someone ignorant to car audio bought JL products just because of the name (MTV Cribs!!) or someone who you trust for their expertise (like 1st) has recommend the product. Hell, I almost bought JL components based on his advice! The power of suggestion is extremely powerful.
Don't get me wrong, the product quality spakes for itself, but I guarantee that the executives over at JL know EXACTLY what they are doing.
I agree that it's up to the consumer to realize that you get what you pay for...but 1st has every right to be pissed and to post his frustrations about being lied to!!
If I was 1st I would hold a auction right in front of company hq too...bastards!!!(rant)
Aaaaa that felt great.....I think I'm done now....next....
BTW Craig, did you get my order for a grounding kit? Sent it the other day to your regular e-mail address.
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The products sold at retail level are still good, although using refurbs to fill accomidations orders leads me to believe they have some reliability issues.FoxPro5 said:
As for the auction, I am waiting untill I get the time to really sit down and decide what I am going to do with the STi. Then everything else will be sold.
I got the order, I replied with an email. I need 1/2 payment to get started.
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Sorry all but it was time to clean the thread so it can either stay on track or die.
As a final word on the subject. I am well aware that my spelling and grammar are terrible.
I made the choice long ago to fill the areas of my brain, that previously held these abilities, with car audio knowledge. I stand by my decision
As a final word on the subject. I am well aware that my spelling and grammar are terrible.
I made the choice long ago to fill the areas of my brain, that previously held these abilities, with car audio knowledge. I stand by my decision
1st...
I talked to our JL rep today. He told me that if there is B stock equipment in stock that is what people that do the employee purchases will recieve. If there is no B stock of that product you will recieve new equipment. I am still looking at doing my JL order becuase it is a hell of a deal and the products work like new.
I talked to our JL rep today. He told me that if there is B stock equipment in stock that is what people that do the employee purchases will recieve. If there is no B stock of that product you will recieve new equipment. I am still looking at doing my JL order becuase it is a hell of a deal and the products work like new.
Keep in mind some things.pjc1800 said:
1. B-stock is always "Instock"
2. Many people were never told that b-stock would be used and the forms didn't not say it would.
3. The last JL form specificly said B-stock would be used for all amps. So they always intend to use B-stock, they just didn't tell everyone.
4. Now all products order may be B-stock.
5. Per the way you described it, you are taking product from store inventory(A-stock) and replacing it with JL accomidations orders (B-stock). If so, thats seriously ****** up.
Bitching?pjc1800 said:
Thats some interesting graditude. You should be thaking me for letting you know it would be B-stock! Otherwise you would have handed someone a refurbed amp that had just paid full retail. Not to mention speakers aswell now.
How is not accepting that a company has sold inferior goods as if they were new and with a contract no less. Again, if it was stated there would be no issue. IT WASN'T. I still wouldn't like the policy but I wouldn't be rip s*** either.
Your telling me you have no issue signing a contract that the other party has NO problems misleading you or even breaking it, while if you did anything against it and they found out, you would loose your job? Sorry I don't bend over for anyone no matter what the discount is.
Everyone in the industry should be demanding they stop. However since everyone accepted them doing B-stock amps (or I should say most no one noticed it), now they do B-stock everything and how long do you think it will before the other makers fallow JLs lead? The salesmen and installers out there are basicly giving up their benfits and not saying a damn word about it. A year ago you could have bought most any Jl product for 70% off and it would be in perfect condition as A-stock. Now you get B-stock for the same price because no one said a word. IN 2 years you have lost the ability to buy ANY product that is considered good enough to sell at retail. In 2 more will anyone complain when 90% of the other manufacturers also sell only B-stock to us.
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Well, I have to vouch for Craig, he's a great guy and he has helped tons of people on this forums alone (myself included) without getting anything in return, he knows his s*** and he also keeps us updated on the "inside news" from the car audio world, no bs, he just tells the truth.
I think it's wrong for JL to sell that equipment WITHOUT making it very clear that it's probably B stock, although I think it's a pretty sweet deal with 75% off even if it is B stock.
I think it's wrong for JL to sell that equipment WITHOUT making it very clear that it's probably B stock, although I think it's a pretty sweet deal with 75% off even if it is B stock.
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