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RallyeRedSi · Dec 18, 2005

Nolimits said:
Well you obvisouly dont want an 11 sec car either cause no MSP has hit 11's yet have they? (glare)

does yours hit 11s?

spacemonkey · Dec 18, 2005

okay so its final

SRT-4 > all

can we all put this to rest?

I will go trade in my protege for a neon. Is that what you SRT-4 guys want to here. Becasue obviously a SRT-4 is god gift to earth and is superior then any other form of automobile.

Happy? My car is a POS compared to yours!

JBreed · Dec 18, 2005

you're comparing apples to oranges. SRT's come with forged internals. MSP's do not, If I turn my boost up 16 psi (stock psi for SRT), I would not only destroy a stock SRT, but my factory rods as well. I have no doubt a built MSP with the correct modifications will hit 11's...

And looks nothing like a skittle, lol

spacemonkey · Dec 18, 2005

give it up...our cars suck. Everyone wants a skittle

RallyeRedSi · Dec 18, 2005

Nolimits said:
Off the bottle..., no. (thumb)

Ok, so you spray to get into 11's?

SloSRT · Dec 18, 2005

JBreed said:
you're comparing apples to oranges. SRT's come with forged internals. MSP's do not, If I turn my boost up 16 psi (stock psi for SRT), I would not only destroy a stock SRT, but my factory rods as well. I have no doubt a built MSP with the correct modifications will hit 11's...

And looks nothing like a skittle, lol

Forged internals? I guess mine was special, because I got cast pistons.... (boom07)

SloSRT · Dec 18, 2005

spacemonkey said:
give it up...our cars suck. Everyone wants a skittle

LOL @ that pic but will still run a 14 flat stock.

icespeed · Dec 19, 2005

Larone said:
p.s. for those of you in South FL. this was against a yellow SRT-4 (commonly seen on I-595) heading North on the turnpike and exiting at 595 heading west. As you all know, that series of corners is just absolutely amazing. Oh, and there was no risk to any other driver on the road

I love those turns.... drop it in third and brush off the inside right line of the first turn, bring it back over to the left while shifting to fourth in the left turn, bring it to 90 by the fork to go east or west, a tap on the brakes, back to third to pull through the westbound turn 30ft above 595 and the floor it to hit 100 right as the ramp merges on to 595?????

Uh, I mean, I've seen people do things such as that

My favorite turn is the east bound exit off of 595, just east of the turnpike exit. I know its called miracle mile from 95, but I think its called 84 or Davie (I always get those confused down there). I refer to that turn as "the pinball" turn. It's the kind of turn where you can just shoot it out of the highway and sweeps through this banked left and immediate right all while trying to outrun like three other merging lanes to one. You can *safely* take those at 80, but there's always a cop so you have to slam on the brakes immediately after the second turn. The speed limit is like 45mph there.

Ah, once again, I have seen people do those things.

JBreed · Dec 19, 2005

SloSRT said:
Forged internals? I guess mine was special, because I got cast pistons.... (boom07)

what about rods? Not to mention they are 2.4L @ 14-16psi vs 2.0 L @ 5-6psi stock. apples to oranges.

Can you post the data which states they have cast internals?

SloSRT · Dec 19, 2005

JBreed said:
what about rods? Not to mention they are 2.4L @ 14-16psi vs 2.0 L @ 5-6psi stock. apples to oranges.

Can you post the data which states they have cast internals?

I could do the digging to find you the info but I dont want to. Trust that the factory cast pistons are the first to go once you start hitting over 500whp. (glare)

icespeed · Dec 19, 2005

JBreed said:
what about rods? Not to mention they are 2.4L @ 14-16psi vs 2.0 L @ 5-6psi stock. apples to oranges.

Can you post the data which states they have cast internals?

taken from sccweb:

The turbo pistons, cast by Mahle from a eutectic aluminum alloy

here's the link to the review:

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/projectcars/0310scc_projneon/

it seems like they did alot of things rush-rush with putting the srt-4's engine together....

Either of you srt-4 owners know any others (or yourselves) having problems over certian mileage increments (i.e. motor gone at 25k miles, 40k miles, 50k etc)??

SloSRT · Dec 19, 2005

There are guys at 80K in their 03 SRT's no major problems, I really dont see any motor lasting over 50K when being boosted to hell and driven like there is no tomorrow. It all depends on keeping up with your scheduled maintenance and keeping your AFR's in check. But the engine was designed to take a beating.

Edit: A local friend here has blown his engine, actually he spun a rod bearing. miss-shifted fourth and over revved the engine. Now he is running a built engine with higher compression 8:1 pistons.

JBreed · Dec 19, 2005

yeah, it is a good write up. I did read the SRT does have forged rods. we do not. that is where MSP's are weak, the rods. Which is why we can't boost14-16psi stock.

I still hold the opinion, that if they were apples to apples comparison, SRT's would not compare to a MSP.

JBreed · Dec 19, 2005

SloSRT said:
There are guys at 80K in their 03 SRT's no major problems, I really dont see any motor lasting over 50K when being boosted to hell and driven like there is no tomorrow. It all depends on keeping up with your scheduled maintenance and keeping your AFR's in check. But the engine was designed to take a beating.

Edit: A local friend here has blown his engine, actually he spun a rod bearing. miss-shifted fourth and over revved the engine. Now he is running a built engine with higher compression 8:1 pistons.

I just read stock compression is 8:1, which ours is 9:1, even more of an advantage for SRT's to run higher boost stock.

SloSRT · Dec 19, 2005

If i were to strengthen my bottom end I would use higher compression pistons as well.

JBreed · Dec 19, 2005

I wouldn't, why would you do that?

daedalus · Dec 19, 2005

JBreed said:
I wouldn't, why would you do that?

More power, less lag, better throttle response to boost, and if its forged, its not gonna blow. Plus, the increased chance of detonation from 1 point isnt that great.

I was going to run 8.0 on my block but ended up running 8.5 so i didnt sacrifice so much out of boost power for better driveability which is good for the in and out of boost nature of autoX.

icespeed · Dec 19, 2005

I shall outwit by crossing the lines into another forum...muwhahahahahahahaha

Taken from srtforums.com:

When Chrysler Group executives admitted during a Caliber briefing in Detroit last month that the "Neon has not been as good as it could have been," we assumed that they probably weren't talking about the SRT-4 version of that reliable economy car.

Regardless of the Neon SRT-4's somewhat outdated looks and unsatisfactory interior, the car delivered behind the wheel. As good as the Neon SRT-4 was, the Caliber SRT is bound to be even better.

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186580

I AM VINDICATED!!!!!!!!!! Thank you and good night!!!!!!!!!!!!

haze20 · Dec 19, 2005

Nolimits said:
LOL, so you quote 17k which means either you sucked off the salesman to get a below invoice price on it or you bought it used. I quoted a SRT-4 ACR with its MSRP price. Funny how you compare the two like they are the same. You suck at arguing, just give up. If you want to argue, throw out EQUAL factors, but since you dont, you obviously have no knowledge of how to debate. So what was a MSRP of a fully loaded 2003.5 MSP? Cause that would be a good comparison for a fully loaded 23k 2005 SRT-4 ACR.

All I want is an equal debate so people can read this and decided either "this guy has a good point, Ill go with his choice" or "this guy makes more sense to me". By flaming and cursing your not helping your side at all.

I bet to differ about the MSP's handling, the SRT-4 ACR handles just as good as it (Adjustable Tokico suspension, BBS Wheels, 24mm front swaybar, 19mm rear swaybar) Its a great suspension package to the otherwise "poor handling" base SRT-4 which only clocked in a .86g skidpad.

Yeah so Mopar knew they screwed up on the suspension and fixed it years later. If Mazda had kept making the MSP who says they wouldn't have replaced the rods and turned up the boost. If you like corners keep the MSP and just up the power. If all you care about is straight line buy the EVO or STI. You could also throw everyone for a loop if your small enough and buy a Lotus Elise for 40k and beat them all stock for stock.

RallyeRedSi · Dec 19, 2005

looks stupid, the neon srt looks better than that

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