$inCitySpeed3
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amen to that...sct is the best...id the only thing i offered in my dyno shop
SCT Tuner
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desperado-c
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Sounds like Mazda doesn't have the info sluts Ford does. Anybody know if Ford ever denied anybody's warranty coverage (for example, on a failed transmission) b/c they detected/suspected an ECU flash?
In light of being bitched at for calling them cousins before, It is a Ford ECU, and the Focus has TONS of aftermarket support, similiar to the Mustang. Steeda (Just one of many company's) races them, and makes about everything you can think of from power adders to suspension parts. There's just more of a market for the Fords.
The MS3 on the other hand has a lot of potential with just opening up the ECU, and the aftermarket is coming out with all sorts of stuff for the car. It will make power.
Ive seen more warranties denied on Cobra and Lightnings by Ford than you will ever imagine.. Before the ECU flash came along, there were chips. Once you installed a chip in the ECU, Ford could detect it instantly.. Ive seen the warranty denied for Rubber splatter, low tread depth ( considered abusing car ), pulley's, air filters. etc...
Ford is nothing nice about warranty coverage on any modded vehicle.
silverspd3
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I think there is at least thirty hp in a good programmer, probably more with a boost increase. Would we still have to use the BCD and FCD with a programmer? I dont think warranty issues would be a problem unless you track the car often and run slicks etc. The way it seems right now, no one is having major issues with anything. I am just keeping an eye on laloosh etc for future issues. His car rips and a programmer is not going to put the car at that level so it should be safe. I hope. If it comes out........
redrocketz
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Neither.. i had my name long before that company was started
So you've been going by that name since before 1986?
And the Cobb works the same damn way the SCT does have you ever seen how the AP works?
Yes dude, im not 20 yrs old!
And as far as Cobb is concerned, they do NOT work the same way, that much i know... 80% of you Cobb cheerleaders are using fricken base tunes because you guys cant tune your own s***. I give props to Cobb in the subie market, but they are no SCT by any means my friend.
desperado-c
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Since you don't mention the flash, I assume that this is not something you've encountered specifically seen/heard of. Of course, if they're really on the look out, they'll find other symptoms.
Ford can detect flash rom code but they cant prove it... Meaning, they will know when the stock ECU programming ROM was reflashed but their database for dealer service isnt even close to what Mazda has.
Ford looks for a pulley on the supercharger, crank pulley, oversize pulley tentioners, traction devices and other obvious engine mods, like CAI, hot ignition modules, etc. They know what the aftermarket provides but are complete pricks about it. If it wasnt for the huge aftermarket support, the SVT line and GT line of their cars would of been dead alot longer and Ford wouldnt be able to compete with Chevy whatsoever.
When Ford saw the aftermarket support for the Lightning and the HP people were reaching, thats when the blown cobra design came from, yet they punish the owners for going to the next step and find any excuse for weak parts on their part.
Mazda seems to be more leaniant in the aftermarket on their support but if they start getting a lot of blown up MS3/MS6's, they will ask Ford for help and see how their process works.
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redrocketz
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Ford had that supercharged Dual cam 4.6 back in 96 before the Lightning so they didn't just throw the blower on the car out of no where.
And I am not a COBB cheerleader so watch where you throw accusations around yourself buddy. AndI would have no trouble tuning my own s*** either. SCT will probably never release a tuner for the MS3.
And I am not a COBB cheerleader so watch where you throw accusations around yourself buddy. AndI would have no trouble tuning my own s*** either. SCT will probably never release a tuner for the MS3.
chriscecc914
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sct or cobb for that matter. at least sct doesnt blow smoke up our asses.
they did, where? You must be talkin about the Supercharged 3.8... there never was any production 4.6 Romeo engines with blowers on them... So much for your so called Ford knowledge there, bud.
First DOHC 4.6 came via the Lincoln Mark VIII.. in 1993 (loser) Im starting to re-think representatives from PG... I guess its ok NOT to know what the hell youre talking about around here... Good thing i just deal with Ken instead of some clown like yourself.
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redrocketz
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they had it in 4 prototype SVT Thunderbirds try looking them up. And I know when the first DOHC 4.6 was available and I know when they threw a blower on it aswell. I know quite a lot about the MN12 chassis (the Thunderbirds) apparently some of which you don't. I never said they used it in a production vehicle but the idea was around way before the Lightning.
http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.php?t=107603&highlight=svt+DOHC
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desperado-c
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I can't believe Cobb would go to the trouble of getting an MS3, giving it the special paint job and all just for the tax write-off. Cobb will offer an EMS. If they can . . . .
(jerkit) Keyword, PROTOTYPE... John Coletti told me, ( do you even know who John Coletti is? ) when i raced the Silver State Classic Challenge in Nevada for 4 years with Team Mustang that the engine has a flaw while supercharged... Ringlands... And he wasnt bullshitting me either because i slapped a Votech on my 1996 Romeo powered Cobra and within 3,400 miles was rebuilding the shortblock.
The 1999 Lightning was in engine design progress in 1992 as a Supercharged V-10... Talk to Jack Roush, he designed all of SVT's cars... including the blown lincoln that ford gave the thumbs down on which you see the engine in those prototype pictures...
redrocketz
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whatever dude you are so full of yourself and I don't give two s**** anymore the fact is that they did exist from FORD before the 03 cobra came about try denying that you even admitted it. It's sad you popped your Cobra with a blower I know of a few that didn't but I must be bullshitting that aswell.
And Throw names around like I care it doesn't phase me. Fact is this you claim to know all and don't. I work with these Vendors day in and day out. I work on the cars the same, so if you want to question my ability go right ahead. Ken wouldn't employ me and trust my knowledge/opinions if I was some newbian.
And Throw names around like I care it doesn't phase me. Fact is this you claim to know all and don't. I work with these Vendors day in and day out. I work on the cars the same, so if you want to question my ability go right ahead. Ken wouldn't employ me and trust my knowledge/opinions if I was some newbian.
I am with you man. SCT tuning for these cars would solve our headaches. With my Lightning, the XCAL II was the best purchase ever. Much better than custom chips. Piggybacks have their place, but true re-flashing of the ECU is much better for drivability and capability.
You know, you seriously are going to drag down the reputatation that Ken has built on these boards with moronic comments made by yourself, representing his company.
Perhaps Ken should better pick people he allows to represent his company on these boards. I know the most successful speedshops are the ones who stay off the internet completely... Maybe you should be researching some camshaft profiles or something else considered useful, instead of trolling these boards all day long with such knowledge you have achieved working at PG.
chriscecc914
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i believe they will offer it for the ms3. Very doubtful for ms6. Go check the ms6 section in the cobb forums.
