You are right on about the price. We run what we called "Road Tire" which is basically a way for everyone to compete in a class when they don't want to buy R-comp tires. They must be banned for a reason, but like I said before, I don't plan on buying them so I don't really care. I should find out if we go with 200 or 140 treadwear for the "Road Tire" class though. IIRC we just follow the tire rules for Street Touring.aMaff said:
SCCA Auto-X Rules: Read This First, Then Ask Questions
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Ok, new question. Stock rules state any oil filter may be used. It does not say you can or can not relocate the oil filter. Relocating the oil filter would not be for the purpose of adding oil volume, which I know is not allowed as per rules about the oil pan.
So, can I relocate my oil filter and still run stock?
I want to do this to make it easier to change, and it would also be easier to add oil monitoring gauges since the filter, after market pressure sender, etc could be remote mounted.
So, can I relocate my oil filter and still run stock?
I want to do this to make it easier to change, and it would also be easier to add oil monitoring gauges since the filter, after market pressure sender, etc could be remote mounted.
I would think this type of modification would fall under this rule:
13.2 BODYWORK
A. Accessories, gauges, indicators, lights and other appearance,
comfort and convenience modifications which have no effect on
performance and/or handling and do not materially reduce the
weight of the car are permitted.
It's an accessory/convenience modification that has no effect on performance and/or handling and it definitely does not materially reduce the weight of the car.
EDIT: So my point is, relocating the oil filter, by my interpretation of the rules, is allowed in stock class.
13.2 BODYWORK
A. Accessories, gauges, indicators, lights and other appearance,
comfort and convenience modifications which have no effect on
performance and/or handling and do not materially reduce the
weight of the car are permitted.
It's an accessory/convenience modification that has no effect on performance and/or handling and it definitely does not materially reduce the weight of the car.
EDIT: So my point is, relocating the oil filter, by my interpretation of the rules, is allowed in stock class.
It depends on how you define convenience, and what the intent of the rule is. In this case, I read it to mean a/c, radio, cupholders, gauges. You read it to mean oil filter relocation. Let's put it this way, if you ran nationals and someone protested you, don't expect to win an appeal.
I never plan on running nationals, plus I don't read it as "oil filter relocation" specifically. I read it as you can do anything to your car that may be considered a convenience modification just as long as it does not break any other rules for the class and does not alter the weight or handling of the vehicle. Since there are no rules stating you can not relocate your oil filter, this could be considered a convenience modification. Also, if anyone protested an oil filter relocation they should be kicked out of the SCCA and drug through the street for being a dumb ass.aMaff said:
What is the dumbest protest you have ever heard?For the MSP, even a stock replacement IC is dyno proven to increase hp, but the vendors have never reported boost increases. I disagree with the boost argument, because full exhaust is legal in STX while boost control is not. I know for a fact that when you replace the exhaust, mainly going to single high-flow car versus 2 chocking cats, you bump up at least 1psi (~2.5psi in my case).aMaff said:
My only guess is that they disallow it because everyone has an exhaust they can toy with, but not everyone has an intercooler. One of the major rules I have a problem with is the CF hood. It should not automatically put you into SM. My thought is it should bump you up a single tier. Like CF hood on DS car should go to STX, CF hood on STX should go to DSP, etc.
Ha ha. When I ran my MSP up here for the first time, I asked all the instructors and the chairman if I could run DSP with the CF hood, they said they didn't care but if I start waxing everyone (yeah right) I would have to move into SM. Well, I ran one event and I got toasted.aMaff said:
I traded the CF hood with another guy in Canada. For one thing I got sick of the attention it drew, and another is I wanted to be closer to legal in DSP. Then I sold my FMIC, turbo-back exhaust, and AFC and got the engine compartment back to stock. That's working out a lot better.
livelyjay said:
High flow cat shouldn't bump up the boost psi, that should still be controled by the ecu through the wastegate. If you are getting more psi you may have boost creep or something else going on. High flow will just help the turbo to spool up quicker.
If you have a turbo then you have an intercooler unless there is something I am missing here. Heat soak is a problem with top mounts like the in the ms3 and it is especially bad with the stock one. That is giving an advantage to someone with a stock front mount
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