removing speed governor
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1killercls said:
ya i know i saw that..and was surprised actually. but my last post was more of an opinion of personal preference really, i should have stated that too sorry folks. i've driven plenty of FWD cars, and i just don't feel comfortable in them if there is any hard cornering at all. most likely just cuz i have never owned a FWD car myself, and can't be very good at driving them.
tell me though if you are using 30% of your front-tires traction in wheel spin, does that not only leave 70% of the traction to be used in cornering?
as opposed to a rear wheel drive where 100% of the front-tires(steering tires, important for handling) can be used for traction throughout the corner.
not trying to start an argument, thats just the way i look at it (hippy)
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Koenig said:
'my idea of a great handler..'
i really enjoy RWD & AWD cars, probably just funner i guess.
but read my last post someone..i'd kinda like to know if i have the right idea about traction on a FWD car.
in a way, you do...... but i've done stock racing.....and just for kicks my friend and i decided to take some FWD cars out to mess with when we had a "test session" for ourselves....
with FWD and the proper tires, you don't really have "tire spin"
you DO however have braking...... when you're braking, and turning at the same time...... it's the same effect as a RWD car, because the weight bias is about 80% front tires and 20% rear (just an example, I'm most likely off)
since you're braking and turning at the same time, you're sacrificing traction, which is why some cars understeer and don't go in the direction you turn, that's why in racing they run on the apex, so they can brake to slow down before needing the traction for turning.....
the thing about FWD is that it pulls the car around the corner.....with RWD you're "pushing" the car in a sense..... rwd would be more prone to oversteer when given too much gas......simply the tail end sliding out...... something that's not as easy to do on a FWD car.... that's why a lot of people suggest FWD cars can be better cars around the track.
the problem is you'd be doing more pit stops..... since you're using the front tires to brake, turn, and accelerate.... putting more wear on them then a RWD car which only uses the front for braking and turning. kinda why i like AWD cars.... you're "pulling" and "pushing" the car through the corner.... like RWD + FWD...... so even if you were to start oversteering it's easy to correct with an AWD car because of the front tires pulling you as well.
not even sure if that made sense....... just trying to explain it as simple as I could and not getting technical.
with FWD and the proper tires, you don't really have "tire spin"
you DO however have braking...... when you're braking, and turning at the same time...... it's the same effect as a RWD car, because the weight bias is about 80% front tires and 20% rear (just an example, I'm most likely off)
since you're braking and turning at the same time, you're sacrificing traction, which is why some cars understeer and don't go in the direction you turn, that's why in racing they run on the apex, so they can brake to slow down before needing the traction for turning.....
the thing about FWD is that it pulls the car around the corner.....with RWD you're "pushing" the car in a sense..... rwd would be more prone to oversteer when given too much gas......simply the tail end sliding out...... something that's not as easy to do on a FWD car.... that's why a lot of people suggest FWD cars can be better cars around the track.
the problem is you'd be doing more pit stops..... since you're using the front tires to brake, turn, and accelerate.... putting more wear on them then a RWD car which only uses the front for braking and turning. kinda why i like AWD cars.... you're "pulling" and "pushing" the car through the corner.... like RWD + FWD...... so even if you were to start oversteering it's easy to correct with an AWD car because of the front tires pulling you as well.
not even sure if that made sense....... just trying to explain it as simple as I could and not getting technical.
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burnouts are typically only done in RWD cars, or on a bike, by holding the brakes at the front of the vehicle and breaking loose the rear tires
smoking your tires on an AWD car isn't really a "burnout" but you can do it yes
And I've often wondered about the mazdaspeed3.... I'd have gotten one if it was AWD......have you driven one? That torque steer is horrible, I can only imagine how it gets worse when you mod and put more power in your car...... (headshake
all i'm going to say is if you are into the build, in almost any form of racing (outside of top fuel), all layouts are competive. there are fwd drag cars in the low 7's now, on the socal time attack scene rwd, awd & fwd track records are within a second of each other. just takes more money to get the job done in most cases with fwd.
here's a kinda crappy 6i burnout....but the ebrake only holds so much. and i'd put my car up against a speed6 in any form of racing, no worries on my fwd at all.
here's a kinda crappy 6i burnout....but the ebrake only holds so much. and i'd put my car up against a speed6 in any form of racing, no worries on my fwd at all.
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ah..k i see. ya i guess if you had some stickies on front, a fwd would handle really well!
nice fwd burnout btw...once i get my 4banger stang running again. i'll show you some fourth gear burnouts without touching the brakes ;-p i have some old street tires on it still that don't grab asphalt worth a damn.
nice fwd burnout btw...once i get my 4banger stang running again. i'll show you some fourth gear burnouts without touching the brakes ;-p i have some old street tires on it still that don't grab asphalt worth a damn.
MrTea said:all i'm going to say is if you are into the build, in almost any form of racing (outside of top fuel), all layouts are competive. there are fwd drag cars in the low 7's now, on the socal time attack scene rwd, awd & fwd track records are within a second of each other. just takes more money to get the job done in most cases with fwd.
here's a kinda crappy 6i burnout....but the ebrake only holds so much. and i'd put my car up against a speed6 in any form of racing, no worries on my fwd at all.
nice car, just needs some paint on those few parts.
like you said though it costs more money with a FWD application to be competitive, money isn't something everyone has, so it's a b**** to do. I still think FWD cars vs RWD will do better in an auto-x but that's just from my personal experience in driving both around a track.
for the record, i got over painting my car. i've changed bodykits and panels so many times, it's not worth it. not since it's mostly focused for track fun....it's black krylon for the win. ya just get used to it after a while i guess...
yeah, fwd burnouts with an atx are hard to get done. but i could still spin them through 2nd gear. with the mtx swap and lsd we'll see how things change in the coming weeks. Mazdafest will be fun for sure this year.
yeah, fwd burnouts with an atx are hard to get done. but i could still spin them through 2nd gear. with the mtx swap and lsd we'll see how things change in the coming weeks. Mazdafest will be fun for sure this year.
MrTea said:for the record, i got over painting my car. i've changed bodykits and panels so many times, it's not worth it. not since it's mostly focused for track fun....it's black krylon for the win. ya just get used to it after a while i guess...
yeah, fwd burnouts with an atx are hard to get done. but i could still spin them through 2nd gear. with the mtx swap and lsd we'll see how things change in the coming weeks. Mazdafest will be fun for sure this year.
just paint your car black and it'll look better than blue, LOL
That's cool though, I thought it was your daily, not a race toy....
i like my girl's 6s, the triptronic canbe fun, I've raced a few idiots in it thinking they were faster..... a few civics, a jetta, and a V6 accord coupe.... I thought those were faster, apparently not.... but the triptronic is nice cause you can actually downshift it and get into the power range with the rpm
she has a CAI and wants an exhaust (but says they cost too much, til I told her a turbo back for my car is $1200) they're nice cars.....
it will eventually be flat black, but will take some time. as more parts get dinged up...they just get painted.
and it is my daily driver....when i have it it gets about 20k miles a year on it. i just don't care about much outside of performance on the track. auto is nice on traffic for sure, especially out here in cali with all the driving i do, but on the track....just doesn't hang all to well.
still looking for updates on the V6 with all the power though, very interested in what it took to get up there.
and it is my daily driver....when i have it it gets about 20k miles a year on it. i just don't care about much outside of performance on the track. auto is nice on traffic for sure, especially out here in cali with all the driving i do, but on the track....just doesn't hang all to well.
still looking for updates on the V6 with all the power though, very interested in what it took to get up there.
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MrTea said:
the setup egh . dont mind tellin yea at all . ive got a full coil over kit by mazda speed .sway bar.cp-e stiff engine mount .cold air intake. stage 2 clutch . short throw shifter , 1300.00 fuel mangement ."local shop did it" custom dual 3' exaust . lightweight rims with federal tires . car only runs on premium gas . also synthetic oil .
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Koenig said:
i really dont get what ur saying here . its rear wheel drive that that has no traction in qtr mile. and if my car was a awd it would be heavy as s*** . sure the speed six has 70 hp on the 6s . its also got a rear end . a transfer case . a drive shaft. . gotta love extra weight .
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