Recall coming soon to a town near you

rotten42

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2004 RX8 - GT
MONTEREY, Calif. -- After suffering a black eye from disclosing that it won't count RX-8 owners' opinions in its internal customer-satisfaction scores, Mazda says it may have to replace the engines in many of its flagship sports cars.

The voluntary recall of all 2004 and 2005 vehicles, and some 2006s, is expected to be announced this week or next. It involves damage to the catalyst resulting from oil leaks in the RX-8's rotary engine.

Any engine that does not pass a vacuum test must be replaced, said Robert Davis, head of product development and quality at Mazda North American Operations.

Engines prone to failing the test are mostly in hot climates and use synthetic oils.

Mazda also will check each RX-8's battery and starter, which tend to fail in cold climates.

"We're going to give these cars the white-glove treatment," Davis said. "We would rather replace the engine than have the dealer crack them open."

Davis would not disclose the projected failure rate of the engines or the cost to replace them.

Mazda has a remanufacturing center in North Carolina that will rebuild faulty engines and return them to service.

The recall comes after a video Webcast by two dealers who attended the July 11-13 National Dealer Advisory Council meetings in Newport Beach, Calif., was leaked on the Internet.

In the video, dealers said problems with the RX-8 were unfairly lowering Mazda customer-satisfaction scores.

Mazda informed the dealers that RX-8 owners would continue to be surveyed, but that the responses would not factor into dealer customer-satisfaction scores.

Mazda has issued service bulletins on such trouble spots as squeaky brakes and engine flooding.



Considering I'm getting my third engine put in this week..this doesn't mean s*** to me. Besides. I don't think they are addressing the real problem. Many people are experiencing engine falures that don't use synth oil or live in hot climates. This just sounds like another round of B.S. like they gave everyone with the HP issue when the car first came out.
 
"In the video, dealers said problems with the RX-8 were unfairly lowering Mazda customer-satisfaction scores."

so if you dont like the data you get, dont try and figure out how to change the data....just omit it from your tables.....thats crazy!

also, the recall for low vacuum...how does that have anything to do with the cat and what do they mean oil leaks?

I saw this on the "big boards" and I need more info on exactly whats going on....
 
rotten42 said:
This just sounds like another round of B.S. like they gave everyone with the HP issue when the car first came out.

There was never a HP issue, it was merely a power rating difference. The 247hp 2004 RX-8s were exactly the same as the 238hp cars, not faster, not slower, the same.
Mazda went above and beyond in offering to buy the cars back or giving gift cards. They could have just ignored thier rating mistake, but they dealt with it properly, and since you apparently kept your car you shouldn't be sore over a freggin numerical difference.

This recall is not B.S....I don't know how you could say that it is after Mazda is going to test every car and replace engines when necessary. That's BS? Again, they could have ignored it, they are dealing with the problem the right way.

It's sad that some people, even owners, have no faith in the Mazda company. Of course we could just wait and see how things play out, instead of slapping the company in the face when they are trying thier best to fix the issue.
 
I think this car has all the power it needs. I mean how fast can you possibly want to go in a car that is going to drive on public roads, I have difficulty not exceeding the speed limit with my foot barely touching the gas pedal.
 
shouldnt take long. im pretty sure they just put a vacuum gauge on one of the vacuum lines and see what it says
 
MazKid said:
There was never a HP issue, it was merely a power rating difference. The 247hp 2004 RX-8s were exactly the same as the 238hp cars, not faster, not slower, the same.
Mazda went above and beyond in offering to buy the cars back or giving gift cards. They could have just ignored thier rating mistake, but they dealt with it properly, and since you apparently kept your car you shouldn't be sore over a freggin numerical difference.

This recall is not B.S....I don't know how you could say that it is after Mazda is going to test every car and replace engines when necessary. That's BS? Again, they could have ignored it, they are dealing with the problem the right way.

It's sad that some people, even owners, have no faith in the Mazda company. Of course we could just wait and see how things play out, instead of slapping the company in the face when they are trying thier best to fix the issue.


Hold on......


I know it wasn't a HP issue. It had to do with the re-flash they did on the car so that the cats wouldn't burn out prematurely. By increasing the richness of the fuel/oil mixture it lowered the HP and fuel economy.


The recall itself is not bulls*** just the reason they give for it is....and they aren't dealing with it right away. This problem has been going on for quite a while. Go ask the people in Nevada and other hot states if they think Mazda has been quick to respond. To say the problem was confined to just hot climates and to cars that run synthetic oil is bulls***. There have been engine failures all over North America which don't fit into these excuses.

You seriously are misinformed or under informed. Go check out the threads on either rx8club.com or rx8web.com and you might have a bit more information
 
Mazda recalls....

Thanks for the info The Man. Looks like my vin# is in there. I hope I get a fix.
 
rotten42 said:
Hold on......


I know it wasn't a HP issue. It had to do with the re-flash they did on the car so that the cats wouldn't burn out prematurely. By increasing the richness of the fuel/oil mixture it lowered the HP and fuel economy.


The recall itself is not bulls*** just the reason they give for it is....and they aren't dealing with it right away. This problem has been going on for quite a while. Go ask the people in Nevada and other hot states if they think Mazda has been quick to respond. To say the problem was confined to just hot climates and to cars that run synthetic oil is bulls***. There have been engine failures all over North America which don't fit into these excuses.

You seriously are misinformed or under informed. Go check out the threads on either rx8club.com or rx8web.com and you might have a bit more information
You're wrong. The H.P. recall was because of emissions, nothing to do with catalytic failures. If you'll notice Japanese cars were never touched. But I'm just a technician at an Efini dealer in Japan, what do I know.
 
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Toyo Kogyo said:
You're wrong. The H.P. recall was because of emissions, nothing to do with catalytic failures. If you'll notice Japanese cars were never touched. But I'm just a technician at an Efini dealer in Japan, what do I know.


Just because you are a tech in Japan, it doesn't mean you know squat about what is going on over here. Emissions was part of it but also the cat was an issue because of the higher EPA standards in the U.S.

Yes the cars in Japan were not touched or were the ones in Australia because the standards are not the same as in North America.

There is a document about this posted on rx8club.com but I'm not going to do your search for you.
 
Toyo Kogyo said:
You're wrong. The H.P. recall was because of emissions, nothing to do with catalytic failures. If you'll notice Japanese cars were never touched. But I'm just a technician at an Efini dealer in Japan, what do I know.

your wrong.

the cars "lost hp" because the cars a/f ratio was made richer. The reason for this was the new TeirII emmissions here in the us, they state the catalytic converter has to last a specific ammount of time (8yr/80k miles I think) and due to the high EGT's from the rotary Mazda thought it wouldnt last. So they did a reflash in the port on all cars currently here, as well as a reflash for all future cars shipped to the US to inject more fuel, cooling down the EGT's. That protects the cat from failure.

Later it was found that while they had added enough fuel to save the cat from high EGT's.....they were adding too much and the large volume of fuel was now doing damage to the cat (as well as causing excessive carbon buildup) so in future flashes they have leaned the car out......its a delicate balance between rich enough for cooler EGTs but lean enough not to damage the cat.....

But this doesnt really matter as the car never had "247hp". Even the cars in japan and the rest of the world only have about 230-240hp at the crank (around 200whp). In the US the car has about 210-220hp at the crank (about 180whp).

If the cat fails...that affects emissions.
 
TeirII emissions in the US is the hardest emissions laws in the world....and the emissions laws in california are even harder (CARB).
 
KYLiquid said:
your wrong.

the cars "lost hp" because the cars a/f ratio was made richer. The reason for this was the new TeirII emmissions here in the us, they state the catalytic converter has to last a specific ammount of time (8yr/80k miles I think) and due to the high EGT's from the rotary Mazda thought it wouldnt last. So they did a reflash in the port on all cars currently here, as well as a reflash for all future cars shipped to the US to inject more fuel, cooling down the EGT's. That protects the cat from failure.

Later it was found that while they had added enough fuel to save the cat from high EGT's.....they were adding too much and the large volume of fuel was now doing damage to the cat (as well as causing excessive carbon buildup) so in future flashes they have leaned the car out......its a delicate balance between rich enough for cooler EGTs but lean enough not to damage the cat.....

But this doesnt really matter as the car never had "247hp". Even the cars in japan and the rest of the world only have about 230-240hp at the crank (around 200whp). In the US the car has about 210-220hp at the crank (about 180whp).

If the cat fails...that affects emissions.


you're too nice...you did his homework for him.
 
KYLiquid said:
your wrong.

the cars "lost hp" because the cars a/f ratio was made richer. The reason for this was the new TeirII emmissions here in the us, they state the catalytic converter has to last a specific ammount of time (8yr/80k miles I think) and due to the high EGT's from the rotary Mazda thought it wouldnt last. So they did a reflash in the port on all cars currently here, as well as a reflash for all future cars shipped to the US to inject more fuel, cooling down the EGT's. That protects the cat from failure.

Later it was found that while they had added enough fuel to save the cat from high EGT's.....they were adding too much and the large volume of fuel was now doing damage to the cat (as well as causing excessive carbon buildup) so in future flashes they have leaned the car out......its a delicate balance between rich enough for cooler EGTs but lean enough not to damage the cat.....

But this doesnt really matter as the car never had "247hp". Even the cars in japan and the rest of the world only have about 230-240hp at the crank (around 200whp). In the US the car has about 210-220hp at the crank (about 180whp).

If the cat fails...that affects emissions.


fuel saturated cats is what makes them *not* last
this is why there's the blinking "CEL"... it's called a "catalyst damaging misfire"... so basically when it happens your engine is missing, and so fuel is not getting burned and is getting dumped right into the cat causing it to overheat... I've heard of stories of cats on fire before because of this
 
TheMAN said:
fuel saturated cats is what makes them *not* last
this is why there's the blinking "CEL"... it's called a "catalyst damaging misfire"... so basically when it happens your engine is missing, and so fuel is not getting burned and is getting dumped right into the cat causing it to overheat... I've heard of stories of cats on fire before because of this

fuel saturation (rich) as you stated as well as high EGTs like the rotary engine can produce.
 
Okay, insulting comments are not necessary. Keep it nice. I don't want this to end up in the dumpster, as it has great pertinent info for RX-8 owners.

Thank you,

the Management

:D
 
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