Realistic Gains

[acidbug]

what is the difference in load content between turbo charging and getting 50 -75 hp on the stock internals and nitrous with the stock internals at the same hp shot

Dude...I can answer that for you...with a turbo system...The boost comes on gradually where as..with a nitrous system...You imediatley get that 50-75hp...which i heard can sometimes be a shock to your tranny...but not to your internals...

Chas

P.S. Rev's...You are now being ignored...

 

[RevsTo9K]

now i have a question for you revs,
what is the difference in load content between turbo charging and getting 50 -75 hp on the stock internals and nitrous with the stock internals at the same hp shot
maybe im ignorant so i would like to know the difference

That's a good question. There really isn't a load difference. The reason I dont recomend nitrous is this.

Usually when people use nitrous, they just use a dry shot or a wet shot, and that's it. They don't use any timing control. They don't install an EGT gauge to see what's going on in the motor with fuel. They don't install any type of fuel controller. They just slap on the nitrous, blow their motor, then b**** about how crappy the motor is and how it can't handle the power. That's all bulls***. If you increase the power output of a motor by more than 50hp, you should expect some adverse side effects. People don't just install a turbo and ignore what the timing, fuel, etc is doing. They usually get some type of piggyback. The same precautions should be taken with nitrous. But 99.9% of the time they aren't. If you are increasing the power output by more than 50hp, there are precautions that need to be taken. Nitrous is reliable as long as you install safeguards on you motor such as a piggyback that can contro timing and fuel. A "safe nitrous system" is NOT as safe as a "safe turbo system" though.

 

[RevsTo9K]

P.S. Rev's...You are now being ignored...

My feelings are truly hurt.:'(

 

[acidbug]

Hey Perfworks..I forgot to mention 1 thing...a Turbo/nitrous system is only as reliable as to how much you tune it & monitor it...

This has been proved by LinuxRacer...

Tuning a Turbo...Is alot more complicated than w/ a nitrous system..b/c you need to have lots of guages..not to mention you need to have dyno time which is big $$$$!


Chas

Power to the ones who are different!

 

[perfworks]

but he difference between turbo and nitrous is obvious though
nitrous DOES NOT need additional fuel like turbo
nitrous DOES NOT need to be intercooled for high egts.
the guy i work with has a 1200 hp drag truck we run and he uses nitrous JUST TO COOOOL THE ENGINE down
the effects of nitrous on an internal combustion egine DOES have as great a load impact as turbo
ill tell you why
the GREATEST inertial load on the conecting rod, piston , crank etc is at TDC of the exhaust stroke
(like acid said boost for the most part boost does come on gradually so with high rpm and high egt's then you will see problems)
nitrous is somwhat" insattaneous" (oops dont know how to spell it!!) but controlable
a turbo YOU need to FIND a way to control the metering of fuel and ignition
anyway ANYTHING to an extreme is harmful to any engine

later

 

[perfworks]

acid this is directed as a reply to revs
so i didnt read what you wrote till after the delay of posting
sorry

 

[RevsTo9K]

nitrous DOES NOT need additional fuel like turbo

This show me that you don't really know what is going on with Nitrous Oxide. Do you know what the "oxide" part means? It is an oxidizer, meaning is is a more concentrated for of oxygen. Which means you WILL need more fuel.

not to mention you need to have dyno time which is big $$$$!

What, you don't think you should tune the fuel map for nitrous on a dyno? If this is what you think, you are in for a big boom someday. You DO need to tune a nitrous system on a dyno so you can get the amount of fuel right. Man, you guys are full of misinformation. I don't blame you though, you had to learn this uninformed crap from somewhere. Whoever told you all that, I wouldn't listen to them anymore.

 

[igdrasil]

OK PERFWORKS....I think you just screwed up with all of us.

Im not a mechanic, but I do know basics.

Nitrous NEEDS FUEL MANAGEMENT!!! Just like a turbo, a Nitrous shot will increase the displacement of an engine,

turbo is pushing more air into the cylinders, nitrous will just expand into more air molecules into the cylinders when ignited.

Of course will cool down the engine, but that is not all.

 

[acidbug]

With the nitrous Kit that i have...there is 2 solenoids...
1.for the nitrous
2. for the fuel

Both Mix together and are shot into the throttle body...

But you Do need More Fuel!!!

For nitrous all you have to do is get the correct fuel pills....And using an EGT...you can tell if you are running lean or not!

No dyno required!

Chas

 

[1FASTMP5]

You will get between 15 and 20 hp gain to the wheels. You will actually probably lose some torque due to the loss of back pressure. You will only notice the difference while you are in the mid to high rpm ranges.

revsto9k- remember this????

 

[1FASTMP5]

i can tell you that you will get prob 20 whp w/header & intake & cat back ext. very good upgrades for the money. i have all these upgrades and it made my car even more fun to drive. the header is were you will find most the extra power the frist cat it way to resrictive. hope it helps, peace out

******than i said basicly the same!!!!!!

 

[1FASTMP5]

Yep, what he said. Except I'd say you will get at least 10 hp at the wheels. But the torque you will lose will negate what you have gained in hp. N/A on this motor just isn't that great untill you get the HC pistons and then spend some serious money on the head. If I wanted a NA FS motor, I'd get the HC pistons, then have the head shaved so the compression was raised to about 11:1. than I'd get the headder and catback and intake. Then you may be looking at about 160hp at the wheels.

*****just wanted to show everyone what an asshole you are.
frist you say 20 whp than you change it up later!!!!!
saying 10 whp, that just shows who really donesnt know s***.

GO BACK TO YOUR HONDA S2K ***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RevsTo9K]

You are so damn stupid that you even confuse me. Ok, let me get this straight.

You posted this:

i can tell you that you will get prob 20 whp w/header & intake & cat back ext. very good upgrades for the money. i have all these upgrades and it made my car even more fun to drive. the header is were you will find most the extra power the frist cat it way to resrictive. hope it helps, peace out

This means you think you can get 20hp with those mods, Intake, headder, and catback. And that's all. Those threee mods.


I said:

Yep, what he said. Except I'd say you will get at least 10 hp at the wheels. But the torque you will lose will negate what you have gained in hp. N/A on this motor just isn't that great untill you get the HC pistons and then spend some serious money on the head. If I wanted a NA FS motor, I'd get the HC pistons, then have the head shaved so the compression was raised to about 11:1. than I'd get the headder and catback and intake. Then you may be looking at about 160hp at the wheels.

I am basically saying that I think you will only get about 10hp at the wheels with just intake, headder, and catback. That's all, those three mods.

Now YOU just posted this:

frist you say 20 whp than you change it up later!!!!!
saying 10 whp, that just shows who really donesnt know s***.

How stupid are you? You have just shown me how stupid you are. You are saying that I said 20whp? Read the top line of the quote, you know, where it says "Originally posted by 1FASTMP5". You are the one who said 20whp. I said 10whp. So, please tell me how I am changing what I say? You are making this too easy for me to show people how dumb you are.

Then you resort to the stupid childish remarks like:

just wanted to show everyone what an asshole you are.

GO BACK TO YOUR HONDA S2K ***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't really need to make rude remarks about you to show everyone how stupid you are. You do a good enough job of making yourself look stupid without my help.(rofl)(rofl)

 

[1FASTMP5]

revto9k- did you even read what you posted first?
you stated first that he could expect to gain about 15-20 whp!!!!
then after your post i followed up buy basicly saying the same thing.
then you all the sudden changed it to 10 whp!!!!!!:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

 

[perfworks]

oopps my mistake sorry!!

(P.S guys couldnt you let me fool with him a little more?)

 

[perfworks]

i was just trying to help turn this into a positive conversation again by adding iggnorance
anyway my final thoughts on the bickering
i think that revs you need to just stop bieng so ..... whats the word......... arrogant
no need to get crazy
you were the first to get ignorant so i dont blame them for getting upset
any way good luck with your honda
acid we will talk about a set up for my car as soon as the other mods are done

later

 

[RevsTo9K]

Whatever. I'm not going to argue with you guys anymore. I't like talking to a brick wall. Have fun with your car as you blow the motor from nitrous. And yes, it will happen, sooner or later.