Realistic Gains
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Original hp was 102.1, and original torque was 114 for the torque.
After the headder, intake, catback, and the Mazdaspeed cams. His post mod numbers were 120hp and 125ft/lbs of toque. That's a gain of 17.9hp and 6ft/lbs of torque. Not impressive at all. He would have done better by taking out the back seat.(rofl)Just kidding. But really, that sucks. I do think if he added the HC pistons that hp bumber would just by about 10 to 15hp. But for what cost.
Headder=$300 to $400?
Cams=$300 for the two?
Exhaust=$400?
Intake=$200?
These are guesses, they are close though. A low estimate would be $1200, a high estimate would be $1300. But that is withough any instalation charges if there were any.
That is $67/hp on the low estimate and $73/hp for the high estimate,....without install charges.
Is it now safe to say that NA on this motor is a waste of money?
*edit* I just read that he/she doesn't have any cats on the car also! This just solidifies the statement that this car is definetely not meant for NA. *edit*
After the headder, intake, catback, and the Mazdaspeed cams. His post mod numbers were 120hp and 125ft/lbs of toque. That's a gain of 17.9hp and 6ft/lbs of torque. Not impressive at all. He would have done better by taking out the back seat.(rofl)Just kidding. But really, that sucks. I do think if he added the HC pistons that hp bumber would just by about 10 to 15hp. But for what cost.
Headder=$300 to $400?
Cams=$300 for the two?
Exhaust=$400?
Intake=$200?
These are guesses, they are close though. A low estimate would be $1200, a high estimate would be $1300. But that is withough any instalation charges if there were any.
That is $67/hp on the low estimate and $73/hp for the high estimate,....without install charges.
Is it now safe to say that NA on this motor is a waste of money?
*edit* I just read that he/she doesn't have any cats on the car also! This just solidifies the statement that this car is definetely not meant for NA. *edit*
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I can't believe how everyone on that site is going on and on about how great the numbers were! Are they insane? A gain of only 17.9hp is horrible for the extensive mods that were done. Wake up people, this person installed a headder, intake and exhaust cams, crappy intake tube, REMOVED THE CATS!!!!! and added a cat back exhaust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG!!!
ONLY 17.9HP INCREASE!!!!!!!!!!!
What a waste of time and money. I kinda feel sorry for all those people that are fawning over this person complimenting on "impressive numbers". (rofl)(rofl)(rofl)
OMG!!!
ONLY 17.9HP INCREASE!!!!!!!!!!!
What a waste of time and money. I kinda feel sorry for all those people that are fawning over this person complimenting on "impressive numbers". (rofl)(rofl)(rofl)
I just can't stop posting about this madness. Do you all realize that after the money they have spent, they could have just doubled it and got the stage one from Spool-Turbo and had about a 60hp increase. THAT'S FOUR TIMES THE POWER FOR ONLY TWICE THE MONEY. Then it's easily upgradable to a 100hp increase for a little extra. So sad, so sad.
DooMer_MP3
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RevsTo9K said:
The only thing I can say in this guys defense is that he does not have to worry about fuel delivery issues that are associated with the FS-DE + turbo. While the FS-DE does not respond well to NA, it certainly doesn't like boost with the stock ECU, and as of yet there is not cheap, viable fuel control method that works all the time. $1000 and about 20hp and no sacrifice in reliability is pretty nice.
I'm not knocking turbos because I still plan on going that route, but as of now, I'm not very impressed with what I read in the Forced Induction section either. Most of the posts are things like "I'm running lean!" or "Idle Problems" or "Am I pinging?". Christ! Hopefully by the time I can actually afford a kit SOMEBODY will have figured out SOMETHING.
Chris
Well, what can I add.... RevsTo9K, u seem to look down on people that are not planning to do the turbo mod. The fact is that it is not that cheap. The Turbo kit will cost at least 3500. To that add the clutch because it wont hold higher than 4 psi before slipping. Even if u run at 8 psi, the drivetrain cant take it. The car has so much power that it's uncontrollable. The differential slips all the time. You need to change that to. And that is very expensive. U're still looking at over 5000.
Im not saying that those are bad ideas. Hey, if I had the $, I'd probably do it but then again, if I had the $, I probably would of bought something else.
As far a giving definite numbers to gains, I have difficulty buying into that. A cat back will bring genrally around 8% increase. Cuz like the majority agrees, the Hp gains varies will the original engine power. With headders, u can look at maybe 12%. U can't just add 5hp for the CAI, and 15 for the exhaust so that's a 20 Hp total ... it's not cumulative.
But, 800$ (CAI, headders+cat-back) sure beats 5000$ and in the end, the guy spending is money will surely be satisfied. Having a house and a kid to raise, I'll be sure to buy him clothes before modding my ride with a turbo. It's just a matter of priorities. Dont trash the others because u dont agree.
Im not saying that those are bad ideas. Hey, if I had the $, I'd probably do it but then again, if I had the $, I probably would of bought something else.
As far a giving definite numbers to gains, I have difficulty buying into that. A cat back will bring genrally around 8% increase. Cuz like the majority agrees, the Hp gains varies will the original engine power. With headders, u can look at maybe 12%. U can't just add 5hp for the CAI, and 15 for the exhaust so that's a 20 Hp total ... it's not cumulative.
But, 800$ (CAI, headders+cat-back) sure beats 5000$ and in the end, the guy spending is money will surely be satisfied. Having a house and a kid to raise, I'll be sure to buy him clothes before modding my ride with a turbo. It's just a matter of priorities. Dont trash the others because u dont agree.
revsto9k-you act like someone said that na motors made more power than turbo one? somewere in one of your posts you put that people are bragging about na power. no one is, the original post asked about what realistic gains to expect. i posted what he can expect as far as gains. you dont even have this s*** done to comet!!!!!
your comparing are motors to civics and s*** dont even play that.
just because its not possible to put a header on a civic and get
12whp donest mean you cant do it on other cars. when you remove a pirmary cat from a car alot of times you unleash alot of power.....
i would love a turbo to but like someone else said if you do it
right you change everthing not just bolt a turbo on.
that means alot of money $5000 is a low number.
compare to $850 witch is what i spent.
your comparing are motors to civics and s*** dont even play that.
just because its not possible to put a header on a civic and get
12whp donest mean you cant do it on other cars. when you remove a pirmary cat from a car alot of times you unleash alot of power.....
i would love a turbo to but like someone else said if you do it
right you change everthing not just bolt a turbo on.
that means alot of money $5000 is a low number.
compare to $850 witch is what i spent.
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Are you two speaking english? Do you proofread anything you type before you post it? I can't understand half of what you are saying because the grammer is so bad. The one guy is from Canada so that's fine, but what's the other's excuse? And what you posted is mostly untrue. I have a close friend that has a turbo on his MP3 and the clutch isn't needed. It's a good upgrade, but not needed. The power isn't "uncontrollable". It's not even 200hp at the wheels. That's far from "uncontrollable".
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- ‘19 CX-5 GTR Tu
Not to steal anyone's thread but
People who are tHinking about buying an exhaust...or intake...consider this kit...by slapping on a nitrous kit..you can get gains..upto 75HP...
Compared..to people who are purchasing intakes..for $200 or exhausts for $350 & header for $400!!
& those people are only experiencing gains of upto 15hp...
For About the Same price you can get Double, tripple, or even Quadruple(sp) the Horsepower!!
This kit is the same one i have in my car...Jetted to 50hp...There is even another guy on here by the name of patio running a stock pro5..but it's not stock..he's got a 75shot...and he hasn't had any problems!!
Anyone have any questions...i am more than willing to answer them!
Please check out my thread
http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&postid=164963#post164963
Chas
People who are tHinking about buying an exhaust...or intake...consider this kit...by slapping on a nitrous kit..you can get gains..upto 75HP...
Compared..to people who are purchasing intakes..for $200 or exhausts for $350 & header for $400!!
& those people are only experiencing gains of upto 15hp...
For About the Same price you can get Double, tripple, or even Quadruple(sp) the Horsepower!!
This kit is the same one i have in my car...Jetted to 50hp...There is even another guy on here by the name of patio running a stock pro5..but it's not stock..he's got a 75shot...and he hasn't had any problems!!
Anyone have any questions...i am more than willing to answer them!
Please check out my thread
http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&postid=164963#post164963
Chas
LOL(rockon)
Dont worry, I'm not mad. It's just that when you say "I pitty the people..." it's not really a compliment. Like I said, it's just a matter of priorities. I dont want nitrous in the car because sometime my kid is with me. The turbo, I just cant afford. Even if you save money, something else will always happen.
When I said it's incontrollable, I meant that you can draw all the power that you just put in because the diff. slips. At least, that's the problem a friend had.
Cheers
I see this thread is headed down the crap shoot.
This thread was their along time ago. To knock 15 Hp that is a hell of a knock. Also with cam gears that will probally make a bigger difference then just the cams alone. Second adding nitrous to or a turbo without changing the exhaust is kind of stupid. You also dont just slap on a turbo just putting the turbo on you will probally only increase tho power by maybe 6o hp for 3500. Their is a guy on here that got 135 hp to to the wheels with custom grinding his cams, exhaust, header, and intake for less then 3500. Turbo is great I personally love turbos and probally will get turbo in the future that is why I choose my layout the way I have, but am going to tune my car and do the most NA first because once tuned it would be better then just slapping on a turbo ( it doesnt just work like that). Who knows I might end up being happy NA.
This thread was their along time ago. To knock 15 Hp that is a hell of a knock. Also with cam gears that will probally make a bigger difference then just the cams alone. Second adding nitrous to or a turbo without changing the exhaust is kind of stupid. You also dont just slap on a turbo just putting the turbo on you will probally only increase tho power by maybe 6o hp for 3500. Their is a guy on here that got 135 hp to to the wheels with custom grinding his cams, exhaust, header, and intake for less then 3500. Turbo is great I personally love turbos and probally will get turbo in the future that is why I choose my layout the way I have, but am going to tune my car and do the most NA first because once tuned it would be better then just slapping on a turbo ( it doesnt just work like that). Who knows I might end up being happy NA.
