problem with MPI

[Bigg Tim]

Dana, you do not FIX MPI issues, you change the setup to work the ONLY WAY you know. If you knew how to tune it the way Nick sells it, then you can say you FIX issues.

I can't count how many times I talk to people helping them out with issues and it ends up that they find a problem. I ask them to post the issue and they say sure but never do.

The car was not setup to control the stock injectors, ummm Dana's way, and it had problems???? Doesn't sound like an MPI issue.

junya1985--have you made any progress? I will be more then willing to help out if you are still having issues. PM me and I'll give you my number, I help for FREE and will do everything I can do over the phone.

Oh yeah Dana, my car is STILL runnning strong the way the system was designed. UTI bought my car to use for it's students to work on. That's what 4 years on a stock motor at 8psi on a T3/T4 making over 200whp??? WOW, his way sure does not work, how long did yours last?????

 

[exoticracr]

Um, I'll jump in here and say that I've experienced the same thing with the MPI changing things. It totally screwed up my car. Amazing thing was, as soon as I removed it, the car was back to 100%. Interesting. Nick said my turbo module was probably bad. WTF? Is he liable for the stuff he makes or alters before he ships it?

Oh, and to make things even better, after I spent $600+ on the unit, Nick starts out by blaming me. Say what? Oops Nick. At least I sold the MPI once I got a replacement turbo module.

 

[exoticracr]

Dana, you do not FIX MPI issues, you change the setup to work the ONLY WAY you know. If you knew how to tune it the way Nick sells it, then you can say you FIX issues.

Golly, last I checked it didn't matter whatever way he changed it, but the customer is now happy and the car runs. Who cares if its not the most perfect apparently, sometimes it works

 

[Witchdoktor]

OK, let's talk about your situation. Shall we pull out an email that you wrote to Nick describing the exact problems you were having beofre goin to Dana to tune your car ?

lol @ mpnick tactic

 

[Witchdoktor]

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH........

the more you flame kooldino with horseshit the more exposure he gets, keep up the good work there tim

 

[Witchdoktor]

Nick told me today to try and put some fuel injector cleaner in it see if it helps i'm hoping

bump for updates what brand of fuel injector cleaner fixed the problem

 

[Witchdoktor]

Um, I'll jump in here and say that I've experienced the same thing with the MPI changing things. It totally screwed up my car. Amazing thing was, as soon as I removed it, the car was back to 100%. Interesting. Nick said my turbo module was probably bad. WTF? Is he liable for the stuff he makes or alters before he ships it?

Oh, and to make things even better, after I spent $600+ on the unit, Nick starts out by blaming me. Say what? Oops Nick. At least I sold the MPI once I got a replacement turbo module.

 

[nvmsp]

just look at it this way, if you can't tune the MPI yourself, or if you dont live near someone who can....... don't buy it.

If I were you since apparently you've already spent tons of money is get a haltech or aem if you wanna go standalone or the haltech standalone. Just get something that isnt going to throw codes.

The MPI is going to throw CEL's every so often.

 

[Kooldino]

Dana, you do not FIX MPI issues, you change the setup to work the ONLY WAY you know. If you knew how to tune it the way Nick sells it, then you can say you FIX issues.

How would you know what I fix and what I don't? There are some glaring problems with the cars that come to me after they went to Nick. Granted, I do wire them differently because I feel my way is better. But there are plenty of problems, many of which have nothing to do with engine management, that I've fixed after Nick (or someone at his shop) did some careless work. Now don't get me wrong, I don't expect everyone to do perfect work and never make mistakes. However, all of the cars I worked on that went to Modern Performance had significant issues. Don't know what else to say here.

I can't count how many times I talk to people helping them out with issues and it ends up that they find a problem. I ask them to post the issue and they say sure but never do.

I hear ya. Same goes for me.

The car was not setup to control the stock injectors, ummm Dana's way, and it had problems???? Doesn't sound like an MPI issue.

Which car?

Oh yeah Dana, my car is STILL runnning strong the way the system was designed. UTI bought my car to use for it's students to work on. That's what 4 years on a stock motor at 8psi on a T3/T4 making over 200whp???

Congrats.

WOW, his way sure does not work, how long did yours last?????

Mine still lasts...I drove it today, I drive it every day. Everyone who's ridden in it has been impressed with it. 18psi of good clean fun.

 

[Kooldino]

Um, I'll jump in here and say that I've experienced the same thing with the MPI changing things. It totally screwed up my car. Amazing thing was, as soon as I removed it, the car was back to 100%. Interesting. Nick said my turbo module was probably bad. WTF? Is he liable for the stuff he makes or alters before he ships it?

Oh, and to make things even better, after I spent $600+ on the unit, Nick starts out by blaming me. Say what? Oops Nick. At least I sold the MPI once I got a replacement turbo module.

This is exactly what my problem is in a nutshell. I couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[Kooldino]

The MPI is going to throw CEL's every so often.

It never throws CELs when it's done my way.

 

[nvmsp]

It never throws CELs when it's done my way.

thats good then. It's so annoying when ur car is running perfect one sec. and then horrible the next. How do you stop the CEL's from coming on, I assumed they will come on after a while since thats what happened when I had it. Don't tell me you took out the CEL bulb.

 

[Bigg Tim]

When done properly, I have never had a CEL, nor have the cars I have done. It will throw a CEL when it get's tuned wrong.

Of course you like your way Dana, it's simple and nothings worng with that. But to have optimum fuel delivery, simple is not always best. Tuning the stock injectors and adding the extra fuel via xtra injectors is much more efficient........do I need to try to find posts you made years ago about xtra injectors not being optimum even though you are all about them now?

 

[wicked]

When done properly, I have never had a CEL, nor have the cars I have done. It will throw a CEL when it get's tuned wrong.

Of course you like your way Dana, it's simple and nothings worng with that. But to have optimum fuel delivery, simple is not always best. Tuning the stock injectors and adding the extra fuel via xtra injectors is much more efficient........do I need to try to find posts you made years ago about xtra injectors not being optimum even though you are all about them now?

people are entitled to change their opinion,nothing wrong with that.

nothing wrong with either way these are setup.

 

[Kooldino]

thats good then. It's so annoying when ur car is running perfect one sec. and then horrible the next.

I hear ya.

How do you stop the CEL's from coming on, I assumed they will come on after a while since thats what happened when I had it. Don't tell me you took out the CEL bulb.

Nope. Short of a little O2 tuning, I don't interfere with the stock fuel setup and MAF. Many of the CELs I see from MPI guys who don't do things my way are related to that. Also, many of them get crank sensor CELs for various reasons.

 

[Kooldino]

When done properly, I have never had a CEL, nor have the cars I have done. It will throw a CEL when it get's tuned wrong.

Sounds like you need to teach Nick a thing or two.

Of course you like your way Dana, it's simple and nothings worng with that. But to have optimum fuel delivery, simple is not always best. Tuning the stock injectors and adding the extra fuel via xtra injectors is much more efficient........do I need to try to find posts you made years ago about xtra injectors not being optimum even though you are all about them now?

"all about them now?". I've exclusively added extra fuel via extra injectors for years. Sure, the closer you put the injector to where the combustion will take place the better off you are (from a fuel distribution standpoint), but unless you're really pushing the limits of an engine, you'd be hard pressed to show power gains from adding fuel one way vs the other. If you're dead set on proving it, then fly out to Philly, do a car your way on the dyno, then I'll tune it my way, and we'll see how strikingly similar they are in power. If your way of doing things makes any significant difference in power, then I will concede to it. But until that day, let's drop the debate. How many times are we going to have this exact conversation already? My way works fine, it's straightforward, performs consistently, and works great. For whatever reason, the Proteges that come out of Modern Performance can't make that claim. Is it the tuning style? Is it the tuner? Is it some other variable? Who knows. The guys who you help might have cars that run fine. However, the guys who Nick helps generally don't.

 

[Jaysanooch]

When done properly, I have never had a CEL, nor have the cars I have done. It will throw a CEL when it get's tuned wrong.

I like the last part to this one. I don't know much...I'll admit to that right away but I knew something was wrong when my brand new car was throwing a P0131 code. That's just one of my problems.

IF ONLY, I knew then what I know now. I had no business getting an MPI tuner, but I figured let me get it installed & tuned "professionally" at least. What a sad situation, now I'm supposedly part of the "anti Nick" crew. I just wanted a properly tuned car to ease my mind. I really thought I'd save alot of money and whole lot of head pain going that South Parkway route but I was terribly wrong.

Ya..it's all good now, thanks to Dino! And still, at the end of my ordeal, I thought....ok at least it's over, people make mistakes, no hard feelings. Like everyone, I learn from my mistakes and make corrections. So...I guess Nick doesn't make mistakes then and when he accused me of "not being truthful" and when his supporters started taking jabs at me....off to the "anti Nick" side I went, willingly!

 

[Witchdoktor]

All that I'm trying to figure out what is wrong with my car and Nick told me today to try and put some fuel injector cleaner in it see if it helps

bump. I need to know what fuel injector cleaner fixed things.

 

[junya1985]

Just got back from my weekend at NJ not at modern performance but at speedcircuit with kooldino a ton of help car runs so much better he was so helpful in everyway thanks again dino

 

[Witchdoktor]