problem with MPI

[junya1985]

OK so i got the MPi tuner in my car and i re-built my motor
MOds:
intake
exhuast
pistons- cp 8.5:1 bored .20 over
rods- h-beam forged
boost right now 11 psi

but i took my car to nick at modern performance and he wa suposed to tune but it still runs like s*** do you think i should get rid of the mpi tuner and go with something like a stand-alone cause he had it for a week and it still runs like crap so i need some ideas cause it runs so bad i'm thinking about getting rid of it. please let me know i need help

 

[Ryoga28]

pm kooldino. He may be able to help you.

 

[Kooldino]

OK so i got the MPi tuner in my car and i re-built my motor
MOds:
intake
exhuast
pistons- cp 8.5:1 bored .20 over
rods- h-beam forged
boost right now 11 psi

but i took my car to nick at modern performance and he wa suposed to tune but it still runs like s*** do you think i should get rid of the mpi tuner and go with something like a stand-alone cause he had it for a week and it still runs like crap so i need some ideas cause it runs so bad i'm thinking about getting rid of it. please let me know i need help

Be sure to write a review on Modern Performance to warn others not to go there. I've heard your story more times than I can count, yet people still go to him and pay good money for bad tunes.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=130

Anyway, I replied to your PM, check it out!

@Ryoga - <3

 

[Focus]

Hey Dana, before you go Vendor Bashing maybe it would be wise ( especially since you represent this site ) to get both sides of the story ??

 

[Focus]

Whats the otherside of the story, nick had his car for a week, it runs like s*** after said week. There is nothing else besides the usual mpi blame on the persons car.

That's right, 99% of the time, the person fixes the real problem ( not the MPI tuner ) and everyting works right !!

 

[Focus]

it just doesnt make sense to me, that all these people goto the shop, and I myself have never heard anything positive about nick or any of his tuners at the shop. Besides your own, show me some positive feedback from a tune nick has done.

Well, all I can say is that the ones that I have done and the ones That Big Timm have done all come out ok.

Don't forget we only hear of the problem tunes becuase people have no need to post when everything is going ok. The only one that can list the people that have had success at Nick's shop is Nick himself.

With that said, do you think it's warranted for Dana to tell people not to go to a shop. Especially since 1. He is an admin on this site, who is supposed to remain neutral and be a sort of referee, instead of getting in to the battle, and 2. Who he himself both owns and operates a shop/online business and also uses the MPI himself ?

I think that's a little hypocritical on both of his titles here...

ANd I quote:

Be sure to write a review on Modern Performance to warn others not to go there. I've heard your story more times than I can count, yet people still go to him and pay good money for bad tunes.

 

[Focus]

OK So here is the lowdown on this car.

The MPI is hooked up to control only 2 extra injectors. No Maf Tuning only an FCD. There are no clamps either.

What is happening with the car is when it gets colder out it starts to idle badly. To the point where it is 18:1 Air Fuel or more, and detonates part throttle.

Nick saw this and told the cutomer he may need to have his injectors cleaned as this is not normal. Don't forget it's the stock ecu controlling stock injectors.

On top of that, because of this issue, Nick did not even charge this customer...

So maybe starting by cleaning the injectors and rule that out, before making unfounded accusations.

 

[junya1985]

well look i have not been to upset with nick until now he has done nothing but help all the way and anytime i have a problem he helps me. so i'm not saying he's a bad person or his tunes aren't good i'm just so mad about my car right now i'm trying to figure if it the car or the chip and i haven't had a chance to check the injectors yet cause all my tools are at work so tom. bright and early i will check that out and see if there is a problem

 

[Focus]

well look i have not been to upset with nick until now he has done nothing but help all the way and anytime i have a problem he helps me. so i'm not saying he's a bad person or his tunes aren't good i'm just so mad about my car right now i'm trying to figure if it the car or the chip and i haven't had a chance to check the injectors yet cause all my tools are at work so tom. bright and early i will check that out and see if there is a problem

Let us know what you find, and I for one would be glad to help you further if I can!

 

[Metal MP5]

this is not right

i agree that alot of people are coming back on the site to say that nick sucks and he cant tune my car blablaba that's one thing. we always hear the bad stories, nobody comes on the site to post good stories about Nick (or anybody for that matter). Once we get the full story, there's ALWAYS something else that wasnt mentionned in the initial post. I also agree that Dana's way of tuning fixes some problems and might make things easier, but he has no right to come in a thread and post s*** like don't go to nick, write a review here. being an admin just makes this more wrong.

Dude, offer your services, explain to the guy why you think your way is better, tell him you can fix his car and how much money he would have to spend and leave it at that. Don't go "we have to warn people not to go to Nick" publicly. keep it professional

So far, every story i heard like this about cars not working properly after leaving Nick's have had something else wrong with the car unrelated to Nick or the MPI. even in my case, i started to get pissed off at my car and the MPI because i couldnt tune it, kept running like s*** ... we found out that a bad connection somewhere melted some wires under my fuse box. Listen to what Nick has to say 1st. Focus called Nick and he told him about injectors that might need to be cleaned. Try that, it's easier than redoing the whole system, might save you a couple hundreds. The MPI may not be as flexible as a standalone, but it works well when you do things right. Focus is running a huge turbo with about 350 at the wheels with an MPI running Nick's way ... the unit works fine. its hard for someone (anybody) to tune a car when it has issues.

/rant

Be sure to write a review on Modern Performance to warn others not to go there. I've heard your story more times than I can count, yet people still go to him and pay good money for bad tunes.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=130

Anyway, I replied to your PM, check it out!

@Ryoga - <3

 

[Earful]

I actually agree with Metal_MP5. junya1985 has only posted 13 times since early last year. Its just much your fault for not knowing your cars tuning as someone who you brought it to to tune. You havent given any details on whats wrong other than it runs like "s***". How bout some more detailed info and less slander, maybe someone can help.....

 

[GMalatrasi]

Thread jack:
Is there anyone in Central Florida that can help me install/ tune my MPI?
End Thread jack

 

[GMalatrasi]

We can install and tune....but we are in tejas lol

Yeah well... that doesnt seem to help me much...
But thanks

 

[GMalatrasi]

pay for my plane ticket and a week in destin and ill do it for free

Plane ticket? wouldn't you need the car there aswell?

Edit: sorry I missread, I thought you meant I had to fly out there.

Either way that is way past my budget for the install of the whole turbo system.

 

[junya1985]

ok well i pulled the codes from car and i got
1. p0131 sensor circuit low volt.- this one came up twice
2.p2006 intake main runner stuck closed

 

[junya1985]

ok the problems i'm having is it feels like a fuel cut but nick says the volts are to low to be a fuel cut and at 10in vac the wide-band says --- which is past 18.0:1 and than when i hit boost it cuts and the wide band says 10.0:1

 

[Fudgie]

Which style mpi? Tuning the maf or O2?

 

[Jaysanooch]

ok well i pulled the codes from car and i got
1. p0131 sensor circuit low volt.- this one came up twice
2.p2006 intake main runner stuck closed

Good old P0131....whatever you do, don't buy a new O2 sensor like I did, it's not the problem. I'm surprised you didn't get code P0340, or not yet anyway. I just want to say that I feel your pain....let me guess, your driving around normally and bam!!.....a hit you in the face hesitation, right? I remember all those things like sudden stumbles or idle dips....stuff that would keep me up at night.

Tough thread for me to read, I'm controlling my emotions....to many people involved that I respect here. Be patient, don't give up...these things can be fixed, and I'm the proof!

 

[Kooldino]

Hey Dana, before you go Vendor Bashing maybe it would be wise ( especially since you represent this site ) to get both sides of the story ??

1-I'm not Vendor Bashing, Nick is not a vendor here.

2-I've seen this same story first hand countless times where cars are good going in and bad coming out.

3-I've fixed many of the problems that the above cars have had, and seen some things that were done poorly.

4-I simply asked him to write a review.

 

[Kooldino]

That's right, 99% of the time, the person fixes the real problem ( not the MPI tuner ) and everyting works right !!

If only that were the case. :-(