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definately something to look into. Ithhink you found it!!!
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afrey2002
I hope so, If thats it I'll buy it as soon as possible. Which would be better, Supercharger or turbo? I'm looking for whats better for autocross, light to light ya know. would it be the supercharger because there's no lag?
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afrey2002
I got the e-mail back from ATS turbo, it's good news guy's!!! read up:
Yes--all the 2.0 parts work on the MP3. MP5. anmd Protoge. Same engine.
2.0 FS MAZDA 4-CYL SUPERCHARGER AND TURBO KIT INFO:
The stock 4-cyl 2 0 engines produce between 127 and 135 flywheel hp (98-105 wheel hp). The hp will jump to 200-225 flywheel hp (165-185 wheel hp) @ 5-7 psi with either kit. I always recommend upgraded pistons and rods in the future, and can supply them as well as a stroker kit. This will allow for a lot more boost and power. Each psi of boost will add 10-15 hp, depending on how well the engine is built.
A bone stock FS 4-cyl 5-speed car will run 16.8 to 17.1 in the 1/4. With the turbo or SC kit, slicks, and a good clutch these cars run 14.6 to 14.8 at 92 to 95 mph.
The turbo kit ($3795) include a huge hybrid T3T04 turbo, front turbo header, huge front mount intercooler, mandrel-bent intercooler pipes, hoses and clamps, downpipe, FMU fuel management system, inline booster fuel pump, and braided steel turbo oil supply lines.
Included accessories are:
boost, air-fuel gauges
high flow air filter
high flow exhaust--3" mandrel bent pipe set.
silicone hoses & clamps
aluminum intercooler pipes--$200 upgrade--(available with kit only)
60-1 full race turbo upgrade--$300
The SC kits are $3795, and feature a sheet metal custom blower manifold, pulleys, Eaton 62 CID SC unit, aluminum T-body plenum, By-Pass , and larger throttle body. as well as all the accessories listed above.
I also offer the manifold and drive setup for the Eaton GM 62 CID unit for $1800. You can find a rebuilt or used GM 62 CID Eaton on ebay and also find the needed accessories for fuel control, et
Thomas (Geoff) Knight
THOMAS KNIGHT TURBOS
Phone: 786-243-2000
Toll Free: 866-361-6502
22050 SW 155 Ave.
Miami, FL 33170 WWW.BOOSTHEAD.COM WWW.KNIGHTTURBOS.COM
Yes--all the 2.0 parts work on the MP3. MP5. anmd Protoge. Same engine.
2.0 FS MAZDA 4-CYL SUPERCHARGER AND TURBO KIT INFO:
The stock 4-cyl 2 0 engines produce between 127 and 135 flywheel hp (98-105 wheel hp). The hp will jump to 200-225 flywheel hp (165-185 wheel hp) @ 5-7 psi with either kit. I always recommend upgraded pistons and rods in the future, and can supply them as well as a stroker kit. This will allow for a lot more boost and power. Each psi of boost will add 10-15 hp, depending on how well the engine is built.
A bone stock FS 4-cyl 5-speed car will run 16.8 to 17.1 in the 1/4. With the turbo or SC kit, slicks, and a good clutch these cars run 14.6 to 14.8 at 92 to 95 mph.
The turbo kit ($3795) include a huge hybrid T3T04 turbo, front turbo header, huge front mount intercooler, mandrel-bent intercooler pipes, hoses and clamps, downpipe, FMU fuel management system, inline booster fuel pump, and braided steel turbo oil supply lines.
Included accessories are:
boost, air-fuel gauges
high flow air filter
high flow exhaust--3" mandrel bent pipe set.
silicone hoses & clamps
aluminum intercooler pipes--$200 upgrade--(available with kit only)
60-1 full race turbo upgrade--$300
The SC kits are $3795, and feature a sheet metal custom blower manifold, pulleys, Eaton 62 CID SC unit, aluminum T-body plenum, By-Pass , and larger throttle body. as well as all the accessories listed above.
I also offer the manifold and drive setup for the Eaton GM 62 CID unit for $1800. You can find a rebuilt or used GM 62 CID Eaton on ebay and also find the needed accessories for fuel control, et
Thomas (Geoff) Knight
THOMAS KNIGHT TURBOS
Phone: 786-243-2000
Toll Free: 866-361-6502
22050 SW 155 Ave.
Miami, FL 33170 WWW.BOOSTHEAD.COM WWW.KNIGHTTURBOS.COM
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Racer 5
Superchargers do produce lag from being belt driven off the crank. Cars that produce little torque(like ours) will see the most drag. But it is only initial power, you will not see it if you "build" the motor.
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slooper
Someone brought up this guy's name in another thread back in December. I've heard on other boards that his reputation is shady. Also read that 7-8 psi would be too much for the 2.0 without internal mods. Don't know, but thought I'd mention that this doesn't sound like the holy grail most of us were waiting for. 
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What??
Maybe I'm missing the right words here, but Eaton (roots type) blowers don't have lag. They are making 1 psi (or so) at idle, becuase they are driven off the crank.
Centrifigal superchargers I can see having some lag, but not that much for the same reasons.
And, the 2.0 liter makes little torque compared to v-6's and v-8's, is that what you are reffering to??
No flames intended here, I'm just not seeing what you are saying Racer 5...
Racer 5 said:
Maybe I'm missing the right words here, but Eaton (roots type) blowers don't have lag. They are making 1 psi (or so) at idle, becuase they are driven off the crank.
Centrifigal superchargers I can see having some lag, but not that much for the same reasons.
And, the 2.0 liter makes little torque compared to v-6's and v-8's, is that what you are reffering to??
No flames intended here, I'm just not seeing what you are saying Racer 5...
Chdesign, What kind of kit is that and what all does it come with. I've heard a lot of people talk smack about TKT, but does anyone know whats true? And are they talking crap about the quality of the products themselves? I mean the guy I spoke to was pretty attentive and gave me all the information I asked, So I doubt it's thier customer service they're lacking.
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I have heard...
What I have heard about Thomas Knight is that he is very knowledgeable, and very customer oriented. The quality of his product is what is questionable.
Personally, I haven't talked to him or anything, but I looked around the web site. There is one thing that caught my eye, the picture of the shop.
I think the shop looked trashed in the picture. Sure it's just one corner of the shop, and maybe the rest of it is clean. But, if you take a picture to show off your place, wouldn't you take some serious time to make that area look superclean and nice. And not like the past five years of machining material scrap is still left all over the floor, walls and machine?
But, that is just MHO. Buy the stuff if you want, find out for yourself...Maybe I'm just falling prey to the negative stuff.
afrey2002 said:
What I have heard about Thomas Knight is that he is very knowledgeable, and very customer oriented. The quality of his product is what is questionable.
Personally, I haven't talked to him or anything, but I looked around the web site. There is one thing that caught my eye, the picture of the shop.
I think the shop looked trashed in the picture. Sure it's just one corner of the shop, and maybe the rest of it is clean. But, if you take a picture to show off your place, wouldn't you take some serious time to make that area look superclean and nice. And not like the past five years of machining material scrap is still left all over the floor, walls and machine?
But, that is just MHO. Buy the stuff if you want, find out for yourself...Maybe I'm just falling prey to the negative stuff.
You know what neither do I, lol, i think I may have been half asleep when I posted it. I knew what I wanted to say, but it just did not come out right.
Yes, torque in our cars is less in relation too larger displacement engines. That's what I was referring to.
And anything that is driven off the crank will produce a drop in power. It is basic mechanical dynamics. Even if the S/C is pushing 1psi @ idle, it will still produce a small amount of lag. Not even close to the lag produced by a turbo, however.
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Racer 5 said:
I hate when that happens...
I see what you are saying now though...
Hey guys. Going along the same train of thought as Stutters, did anyone notice that picture on Knight's website of the turbo he had installed on that probe? The visible areas of the car were covered with leaves and dirt and debris. Who knows if it even ran - how many turbo'd cars collect leaves and debris? I have to agree with Stutters, he may make decent turbos, but for that kind of money I would rather be a little patient and wait for one of the big guys to come out with one. There's always a chance that something could go wrong and I at least want to go with a maker who can absorb the costs of hardware replacement without having to have a weekend yard sale.
JMO
JMO
Do you know exactly what this means, are his turbo's crap and will screw up my engine? I wonder if he has a warrenty? I would actually like to hear from someone with this exact kit, not just a TKT. As for the way his shop looks, it isn't the most well kept, but keep in mind he's not baking cookies in there.
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Yeah...
I know he's not baking cookies but, at least he clean up the place to take a picture for crying out loud. I've seen a number of web sites for various shops. I've seen some really clean ones.
I'll try to track down one of the shop's web sites I saw...Pictures of every room in his shop, including the room he did machining in. It looked a hell of a lot nicer than the one for Thomas Knight. My line of thinking is, if he keeps a clean shop, he probably has a clean kit that works well. A dirty shop raises little flags in for me saying that it might not be a good idea to get this kit.
Like I say, this is one reason why I'm not willing to take the chance on his stuff. Buy it for yourself. I don't think anyone else has bought this kit for the Protege.
I also don't like that they just think it's going to work with the 2.0 liter FS motor in the Mazda. The motors are not the exact same, despite what people have said. The 1.8 liter Mazda motor is closer in resemblance to the 2.0 liter motor than the Probe motor is.
Once again, this is just my opinion, feel free to buy the kit and find out for yourself.
I know he's not baking cookies but, at least he clean up the place to take a picture for crying out loud. I've seen a number of web sites for various shops. I've seen some really clean ones.
I'll try to track down one of the shop's web sites I saw...Pictures of every room in his shop, including the room he did machining in. It looked a hell of a lot nicer than the one for Thomas Knight. My line of thinking is, if he keeps a clean shop, he probably has a clean kit that works well. A dirty shop raises little flags in for me saying that it might not be a good idea to get this kit.
Like I say, this is one reason why I'm not willing to take the chance on his stuff. Buy it for yourself. I don't think anyone else has bought this kit for the Protege.
I also don't like that they just think it's going to work with the 2.0 liter FS motor in the Mazda. The motors are not the exact same, despite what people have said. The 1.8 liter Mazda motor is closer in resemblance to the 2.0 liter motor than the Probe motor is.
Once again, this is just my opinion, feel free to buy the kit and find out for yourself.
The condition of the shop is definitly something to think about, But then again when was the last time you cleaned your garage? Even though if I were taking pictures I would want it looking a little better. I don't want to jump to thinking it reflects on his products, but I won't rule it out.
