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I wish I had seen this one sooner :)

It seems like this keeps coming up over and over again every time I mention I am going with a T3/T4

I think what people need to realize is that first of all, the hybrid is definately not overkill for certain things. For instance if you drag race on the track or street (I've been known to go on the street, although I'm sure I'll hit the track whenever I have the urge once I have mine in) then it is much preferable to have the T3/T4 because you are most of the time pulling near the redline, which is where it's power at, compared to a T3 or even a 16g (not as much so on the latter) with much more punch in the midrange.

There are other reasons though. I think Spoolin said himself that he gets crazy wheelhop and spinning, and while that is really cool I like my tires and more importantly you want lag when you are dragging for the very reason that you want to launch quickly. Don't get me wrong, an LSD will fix it mostly along with mounts, but who wants to put extra stress on the tranny and tires when you just wanna take off?

Also, as Lowerdfool stated (funny, I just got the book this week and read that passage yestreday) the compressor is so light that it and the relating parts will make small difference in the spool-up. I bet some of you would be surprised to find out that in a proper set up, unless you floored it you would notice a minute difference between the T3 and the T3/T4.

I know this is getting long but there are so many reasons...another thing people keep emphasising is daily driveability, but part of that is keeping your car healthy. As a smaller turbo and one designed for lower end power than the hybrid, when you come near that redline, and are running your 10-12 lbs, things get HOT. Much hotter than the high-end capable T3/T4. If you ever want to downshift and hit that powerband, there is much less to worry about with a bigger turbo than with the T3 or 16g.

Lastly, as much as I LOVE low-end torque, I love revving high and pushing the redline way more. That's what the T3/T4 is for. But one thing that I am gonna stick to, that keeps getting discussed, is that although there are several Very different characteristics between the T3 and the T3/T4, lag is not one of them. I think when my set-up is done, I should easily be fully spooled by 3500. Now is that THAT different from the T3?

I know I am gonna get flamed up the ass, but hey I said what's on my mind all at once, finally. Just remember, different turbos for different drivers :)
 
Guys, we're getting to the point now that we REALLY need to get an aftermarketer to figure out something for our trannies. It's really our bottleneck...what can we do???
 
slowyellowp5 said:
...........different turbos for different drivers :)

Couldn't agree more. T3/T4 for me.:) Of course we all know I'm too damn broke so, it'll probably never happen
 
"turbos are for different drivers" yeah i think so to thats why i'm going NA lol maybe in thr future I will do a boosted app in the 3rd gen again but better and do a FE3 swap with a T78 on there...now we are talking:eek: 500whp baby!!!!!!:D
 
chdesign said:
"turbos are for different drivers" yeah i think so to thats why i'm going NA lol maybe in thr future I will do a boosted app in the 3rd gen again but better and do a FE3 swap with a T78 on there...now we are talking:eek: 500whp baby!!!!!!:D

Reason I am getting a discount is because my friend wit ha 2nd gen Rx-7 is fitting a T78 onto his Japanese-spec Turbo II and we are buying from the same guy...

oh which also reminds me this guy loves building hybrids, I am getting mine for the price of a discounted T3, I don't know if I could get that deal for you Apexi but I am broke too I understand, I am sure I could work something out

(Hey, maybe we can both get T3/T4's from him and get an even BIGGER discount...that would be sweet)
 
I dont know what an FE3 is but. This weekend at the tracks corksports protege was hittin 12.3 and they said the were running 18psi and just swaped the engine with some 1.8 litter.
 
The motor corksport uses is teh BPT turbo motor from the J-Spec 323 GTR. It is no where near a direct swap niether is teh FE3 they both would require custom mounts and axles i believe you may be able to find some that woudl work. The FE3 is a awesome mazda motor found in teh US in the Kia Sportage. Full forged internals and strong as hell. This motor is a direct relative of the F motor used in the 1st gen MX-6 and probe turbos. The motor didn't not come turbo in the Kia but has the same forged construction as its turbo cousin. It has a 9.2:1 compression and wiht a turbo slapped on you can run up to 30 psi of boost on one in stock form and make in excess of 500 whp. This motor is easy to find and hard to install but well worth it.
 
If I remember my conversation correctly with the corksport guy I spoke to, they were using the stock BP motor and fitted a T3 on it. Of course the were probably using some kind of engine management.
 
If you talked to Ben at CS he is a freakin idiot. He would tell you it was a rotary and think he was right. They are using a BPT from the GTX but I believe they used the GTR which comes with 210 stock and can hold a crapload more. But I do know its the BPT not a BP
 
Yea they use the BPT motor from a GTR and it runs around 18 psi and they use no engine management yet but they want to. Thats on that white protege with the black bottom thing. I talked to the driver at the races.
 
Just installed my second custom Turbo in my Focus this weekend. All work done myself, and this time I treated myself and installed a Tial 35mm WG, vented to the Atmos. and let me tell you...IT SOUNDS AMAZING!!!

I am using a T3 with .63A/R turbine and .60A/R Compressor. I am running the ,45 Bar spring in the TIAL so about 5-6PSI and it is amazing! I love the sound.

I was doing some testing, and when I hit 12-13PSI today, it was even sweater!

I say vent to atmosphere.
 

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