New Intake Manifold Out Today
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mspr5t said:
Your leaving a while lot out. HP gains are good, but TQ loss is bad. Alternate intake manifolds are usually less complicated for turbo cars since the forced induction keeps things flowing in a decent fashion. N/A cars need a little more refinement in their flow characteristics. The specs on the webpage are just typical advertising jargon. It says that it will work on all the 3rd Gen Proteges and it states a HP gain, but it doesn't say what motor that gain was tested on (F/I-N/A) or if there was any loss on any of the other motors. Making peak HP is great, but the area under the curve is most important. I can take an educated guess as to what was going on, but really the website isn't very clear. You also talk about running a prototype manifold on your N/A P5, but you don't really tell us anything about it. Is it the same one as the ********** piece? Is it a modified stock manifold? What makes it different from a stock manifold? What other supporting mods are you running? Dyno charts? We've got some very, very educated people in the N/A section of the forums and your going to have to do better than the limited info you've supplied so far if you want to help out you friend in selling some intake manifolds.
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mspr5t said:
It's unfortunate that Cullen has an asshole like you representing him. Having said that, I'll answer your question.
People on this forum are so sinical and questioning of new products for a number of reasons. First, and most importantly, most people on here don't have tons of cash to throw away on random mods, so they want to know that what they're going to invest in is worth it. The fact that they have people like you yelling nearly incomprehensible insults and claims of your hp at them doesnt help build their confidence.
You just don't make a lot of sense. You're saying "As far as HP I can beat the fuk out of civics oh and 1.8t vw's" WHAT?! Why would you put a civic and a 1.8t in the same catagory? And who gives a rat's ass if you have more hp than a stock 1.8t? I gaurentee you if the guy in the VW had invested an equal ammount of money into his car, he would bake your ass all day long.
One more thing that bothered me in your mind numbing rant...
"It is N/A and let me tell you it is worth the money. On a N/A engine the engine growls and it is a awesome sound"
So you claim your car is NA? Even though your name indicates that it's a turbo and you claimed the engine was heat soaked during the dyno? Doesn't it usually take a lot more than a 100 degree ambient temperature to heak soak an NA car that's siting still?
Anyway, I'll be keeping an eye on this to see what the results are from a real dyno.
Paul said:
holy crap for $500? You will never find a full intake mani for that price, and would have a difficult buying a stock mani and PnP that for under that price (at a shop at least)... not even factoring the time it takes to make the other modifications. That is just nuts.
I am guessing you could salvage the gasket on a 20k motor.... right?
dont' quote me on that but i'm almost 100% they are ported/polished. me and cullen had a long long talk and a lot of things were discussed.
you can salvage a gasket but what are you going to do w/ it? (RTM)
gaskets are made for a 1 time use from what i've learned. and doing the intake manifold is a b*tch so I'm sure you would only want to do it once. Gaskets are cheap.
you can salvage a gasket but what are you going to do w/ it? (RTM)
gaskets are made for a 1 time use from what i've learned. and doing the intake manifold is a b*tch so I'm sure you would only want to do it once. Gaskets are cheap.
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Usually the gasket sticks to the IM and it crumbles coming off if it's had that much time to stick. I've been able to salvage a few of my gaskets, but i was taking the IM off once or twice a week so they never had time to permanently attach themselves. A good trick it to rub chapstick on both of the metal surfaces the gasket will touch. Sometimes that will keep them from bonding to either surface.
Judging from the pictures on the website the gasket surface of the IM looks the same as stock which means it has plenty of room for gasket matching and a little more if you want.
Judging from the pictures on the website the gasket surface of the IM looks the same as stock which means it has plenty of room for gasket matching and a little more if you want.
Actually his car is NA and his car does move! He hasnt dynoed his car yet but he took me for a spin and for a NA protege it definetly had some kick. He also was not refering to his car on the dyno he was refering to cullens. Cullens car was heatsoaked by the time he got to the dyno! Im sure if the temps outside were the same as his last dyno he would of pulled better numbers for sure. And also there is no torque loss what so ever. You will see for yourselves soonanarchistchiken said:
Mike R said:
local shop has a base price for PnP and I think it was like $500 which included removal, PnP, and install. It seems more has been done to this mani though... stuff I really would not want to do myself. I don't have experience with intake mani's, VCTS, etc. and I was just saying $500 did not seem bad. I could even sell the stocker for $100 for the vary reason you just listed.
the problem is, the vendor isn't here to explain the design of the part. if it was a skunk2 manifold, you'd be dumb to question the engineering behind it. BUT its not. plenum volume, runner length, ecu compatibility hasn't been addressed on the vendor's site(i could really care less what's posted here). was it designed for N/A or turbo proteges? where are the 17whp gains seen, midrange or peak hp? street-unit doesn't have the credibility or experience(as far as I know) to produce such parts w/o addressing certain details that determine whether the part is useful for tuner A or tuner B.
the product is recieving a horrible response because very few facts have been corresponded to potential consumers.
if I pitched this product to a company for manufacturing with the facts given, I'd be taken as a joke.
the product is recieving a horrible response because very few facts have been corresponded to potential consumers.
if I pitched this product to a company for manufacturing with the facts given, I'd be taken as a joke.
