Need help after timing belt replacement

[ghettoracingkid]

hmm 1.6 im more familiar with teh 2.0 but let me know how it goes.

 

[ghettoracingkid]

what is the excat car your working on?

this might help

you might only be slightly off.

 

[Chawk]

thanks for the post, but the haynes manual shows something completely different. the 1.6 has a few marks. i am going to post pictures tomorrow or sunday hopefully showing step by step procedures that I did and that the haynes manual shows, and maybe somebody can point out something obvious that i am doing wrong.

 

[sandypro]

If you haven't figured it out by next weekend i can take my vlave cover off and take some pictures with the markings and stuff, maybe that'll help.

 

[Chawk]

Thanks again for everybody's help I still cannot get the car to start. I have added some photos of the Haynes Manual and my car photos.

I have been able to find TDC, however the directions call for the Crankshaft sproket mark to face upwards. If this is the case then the car would not be at perfect TDC according to the guide.

So with a friend cranking on the car, I can feel for compression at the number one cyllinder and I know when that one fires because it makes a loud poof noise, and pushes my hand off. After doing this I moved the crankshaft back just a slight bit so that it would be on the top, and the camshafts were already on there mark.

I made sure that when putting the belt on I had no slack on the side opposite the tensioner, however the belt is a tight fit anyway, and there really is not much slack on either side.

now with the belt on there I turned the crankshaft like the haynes manual tells me to do, 1 and 5/6 turns clockwise until the crankshaft sproket mark is facing the tension set mark on the engine block.

I then tightened the belt down to the approximate torque specifications.

I then turned the crankshaft 2 and 1/6 turns so that the crankshaft sprocket mark was facing the top again.

When doing this all my marks for the camshafts and the crankshafts were perfect. ( I took photos which are listed below)

I then put everything back together tried to start the car and there was nothing. it attempts to turn over but will not start.

What I question is this, When finding TDC the sprocket mark is not facing up it would be facing another direction this does not make sense?

Another thing is that the Harmonic Balancer has a white painted mark on it which you are supposed to match up to the T mark on the timing guide, but once again if this were tdc, then the book tells you to make sure the crankshaft sprocket is facing up. (there is no disctibutor on this car, so I cannot use the rotor to determine where everything lines up)

*** I am totally stumped on this. If I had the money i would have towed it to a mechanic by now, but I am poor with 2 kids. ***

 

[ghettoracingkid]

ok I say that you put the crank at what dot of TDC and do it up that way. what could it hurt. everything looked ok at this point according to the pics.

other then that i think you might have other issues.

is there aq distributed? if there is losssen it and turn it as a freind is cranking it and you might get it to fire up. that is adjusting the timing.

 

[Packerfan]

Make sure you put pulley on crank to line up TDC on mark on pulley not key way (little metal piece stuck on crank shaft) THEY ARE NOT IN THE SAME POSITION!!!

 

[Packerfan]

Also are you sure thats a 1.6L? If so why the instruction for 1.5L?

 

[Chawk]

yeah sorry about the instructions picture, the picture is 1.5 , but i meant to post a 1.6 picture which shows the same setup that my photos show. I wish there was a way to reset everything, it seems like my problem could be a camshaft sesor malfunction or possibly a crankshaft sensor malfunction.

 

[Chawk]

packerfan in regards to the tdc you say that the metal clip is not the same, but the dowel on the crankshaft pulley sits in the same direction as well. although there are little numbers and or letter on it, which I am not sure what they mean.

The haynes manual show's that you are supposed to align tdc by matching up the painted tooth, on the harmonic balancer. which sits at about 4 oclock on the harmonic blancer when the dowel on the crankshaft pulley is facing up. i may have to take a picture of this as well.

 

[Chawk]

oh and looking at the picture again it actually says 1.6 but you have to zoom in on it, looks like 1.5 from a distance.

 

[sandypro]

When I replaced my timing belt I used different markings on the cam pulleys. Compared to the way I set mine up you're completely off. Look at the encircled markings in the picture below.

 

[Chawk]

So where exactly are those marks supposed to be placed? would you say that those marks should sit on the top, or in the directions of the E and the I ? Thank you for your help, I am totally stumped on this, but hopefully my trial and error's will be a good reference for people in the future. The haynes manual makes no sense at all.

 

[sandypro]

Sorry about that, i edited the picture. The marks were lined up horizontally in the middle. But when i looked closely i noticed 2 notches on each cam gear, so i'll check mine out and take some pictures as a reference.

 

[Chawk]

thank you so much for your help. I have a little hope left after all.

 

[sandypro]

Ok i managed to remove my valve cover and take a picture of my set up. I circled the markings in your picture that need to line up, double check them though. Good luck

 

[Chawk]

thank you very much, i cannot tell you how appreciative i am for this. I realized tonight that the haynes manual is completely wrong when it comes to our engines, If I line my marks up like you have them, is it still possible to be 180 degrees off?

 

[Chawk]

I went ahead and lined them up like you have them, and for some reason i think that I am 180 degrees off. the car is showing signs of life now for the first time since i started this fiasco. It is trying to start now that my cams are lined up properly, but it wont start. I know i am getting close, when cranking on the car it will crank..crank...crank..crank..start...studder...stop (( then the cycle will start over again.

I cannot work on it any longer tonight but will post more results as I get them.

Thank you

 

[ghettoracingkid]

if im not mistaken that has a regular distributor right?

loosen the hold down
turn the distributor while its cranking.

I feel like your timing is just a littel bit off.

Maybe the igntion module went....... too bad i couldnt come ther and help you.

I miss carberatours. (sp?)

 

[sandypro]

The engine has a dual coil system, no distributor.