MSPro Article in New Sport Compact Car Mag...
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PA_MP3_Man
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Basically it said that the turbo setup was detuned a little so that it wouldn't damage the stock tranny. It came 2nd in the top 8 shootout under $20,000. The srt-4 came first. exact quote "Output was intentionally limited to protect the transmission and to allow the long block to remain the same as the naturally aspirated Protege's." It also uses the same intercoller that the euro turbodiesel protege used years ago. it's really small and almost useless positioning from what the book says. Other than those two elemenst and the seats, the drivers loved the car.
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PA_MP3_Man
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on a side note, the srt-4 is a bad ass vehicle, and if they would change the freaking headlights I would like the car a whole lot better. I just hate those round stupid looking lights that they've had since the first neon. Basically, I don't like round lights. That's all I have to say about that.
Antoine
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According to SCC the SRT-4 is #1 because it's a POWERHOUSE...otherwise the MSP is "outstanding".
SCC would mod (MSP)...in order
1st mod: As mentioned before one of the recommended initial mods would be replacing the entire exhaust system from the downpipe on...
2nd mod: go front mount ITC
3rd mod: boost controller
I think the MSP deserves 1st place...but I don't feel so bad knowing the 1st place went to a ride with 223hp at the wheels!!!
Awww...poor civic si....last in 8th place...
SCC would mod (MSP)...in order
1st mod: As mentioned before one of the recommended initial mods would be replacing the entire exhaust system from the downpipe on...
2nd mod: go front mount ITC
3rd mod: boost controller
I think the MSP deserves 1st place...but I don't feel so bad knowing the 1st place went to a ride with 223hp at the wheels!!!
Awww...poor civic si....last in 8th place...
PA_MP3_Man
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oh and the ser-spec v came in 5th, ran quarter mile .4 seconds and 2mph slower. Skidpad was .84 g , msp .89 highest of any tested, same wheel hp as msp, 4 bls of torq more, and slalomed 3 mph slower than msp. Pretty cool huh. course the srt-4 was 1.2 seconds faster quarter mile than msp and freaking 10mph faster at that. That srt-4 going to be one awesome machine. I can't wait to go test drive one 
. Not that I'll buy it, i just wanna drive it.
And this was my 100th post. Yay. I'm a full fledged member now.
. Not that I'll buy it, i just wanna drive it.And this was my 100th post. Yay. I'm a full fledged member now.
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MMMatHeart
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PA_MP3_Man said:
Spec V has the same WHP as the MSP?? I believe the original dynos had the V around 142 whp. Does that mean that Nissan found the lost horsepower? What did the mag say?
Sh**, the SRT-4 is fast!! Damn!!! Wow!! The best times are NOW!!!
RuggedMazda
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So, what options do we have?
Ok, so we have a weak tranny, RIGHT. What can be done about it? Can we replace it with one that is compatible with the car or beef up the existing tranny somehow?
I really need to know what options I have in this case, cause I plan to keep the car as is for a year or so, but after that it's all about the mods.
I mean there has to be something we can do, I can't see this stopping people who want to give this car the high HP it deserves.
Damn, I really want this car, but as time goes by I keep second guessing my self on buying this car......I guess waiting for something this long will do that to anybody :'(
Also, is the Tranny the only weak link or is there more bad news?
Ok, so we have a weak tranny, RIGHT. What can be done about it? Can we replace it with one that is compatible with the car or beef up the existing tranny somehow?
I really need to know what options I have in this case, cause I plan to keep the car as is for a year or so, but after that it's all about the mods.
I mean there has to be something we can do, I can't see this stopping people who want to give this car the high HP it deserves.
Damn, I really want this car, but as time goes by I keep second guessing my self on buying this car......I guess waiting for something this long will do that to anybody :'(
Also, is the Tranny the only weak link or is there more bad news?
Gro Harlem
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Here is my post from ProtegeClub
buy the mag...scanning is bad!!
Nice nice NICE!! Finally SCC compares all 8 of the new "sport compact cars under 20k"!!
Comparison included the Civic Si, Focus SVT, SER Spec V, Mazdaspeed Protege, Hyundai Tiburon V6, Neon SRT4, VW GTI and Mini Cooper S
Guess which one won???????
SRT4 of course, but teh MSP got second! Followed by a tie for third with teh SVT and Mini S. Then 5th is the SER spec V, 6th was Tiburon, 7th was GTI and LAST was the CIVIC........excellent.
And also they dyno'ed all of them......the SRT4 had more than 2x the torque of the Civic, and beat the next highest HP car (the gti) by about 50WHP!! insane.
They praised the hell out of the MSP for its decent accel, decent LSD, and amazing handling.....but they said the seats suck, and that adding a free flow exhaust (instead of keeping that MP3 stock exhaust) would free some power immediately. They also gave tips on adding a FMIC, and said that getting a boost controller would be good too.
The SRT4 was praised for its insane hp, well designed turbo system, but needs a LSD, and stiffer suspension.
Focus, was praised as the best valueo f them all, just a well balanced car, but they hated how tall the 6 speed trans is, and how bad it felt.
Mini S, was praised for its great steering response and handling, but they don't like the 17" wheels for some reason b/c they look "stupid" and weigh 100 lbs more than 15"ers. They also didn't like the tall gearing, and itnercooler's crappiness.
SER spec V got praise for the great LSD, great gear ratios,a nd good torque, they didn't like the styling, and the suspension.
The tibby got praise for its styling, firm shocks that don't require upgrades if lowered. They didn't like the low RPM power from the V6, they wanted more high RPM, which can be fixed with an intake
the GTI got praise for its good power, but they didn't like the soft as hell suspension, and bad horrid tires.
Lastly, the Civic Si got praise for its nice seats and small steering wheel........thats it. They didn't like the handling, saying the tire and rim size choice sucks, and that it "flops around too much" . They also said the bakes are overwhelmed, and that it could really use the RSX powerplant (someone say TYPE R ).
Anyways, the SRT4 barely won, but I think it deserves it. It was the most expensive of the group, followed by the MSP, and Mini, then Si, GTI, Tibby, SVT and cheapest was the SER.
here are the numbers:
weights:
mini: 2720 lbs
civic si: 2730 lbs
SER spec V: 2750 lbs
SVT focus: 2780 lbs
Mazdaspeed: 2810 lbs
SRT4: 2870 lbs
GTI: 2890 lbs
Tibby: 3040 lbs.
1/4 mile acceleration:
SRT4: 14.2 99.5mph
Mini: 15.4 90.4
GTI: 15.5 91.8
MSP: 15.5 89.4
SVT: 15.7 88.5
Tibby: 15.8 87.0
SER Spec V 15.9 87.5
Si: 16.2 84.3
Lateral grip (200-ft skidpad)
MSP: .89g
Mini .87
SVT .87
SRT4 .85
GTI .85
SER: .84
GTI: .84
Si .83
Slalom (six cone 700ft)
MSP 70.3 mph
SRT4: 69.0 mph
SVT: 68.4
Mini: 68.1
SER: 67.5
Si: 67.4
Tibby: 67.3
VW GTI: 65.7
Lb's per wheel HP
SRT4: 12.9 lbs
GTI: 16.9
Mini: 17.3
SVT 18.5
MSP 18.7
SER: 18.8
Si 19.8
Tibby: 20.5
Get this mag! its at newstands...came out today or yesterday i think..........great read!!
buy the mag...scanning is bad!!
Nice nice NICE!! Finally SCC compares all 8 of the new "sport compact cars under 20k"!!
Comparison included the Civic Si, Focus SVT, SER Spec V, Mazdaspeed Protege, Hyundai Tiburon V6, Neon SRT4, VW GTI and Mini Cooper S
Guess which one won???????
SRT4 of course, but teh MSP got second! Followed by a tie for third with teh SVT and Mini S. Then 5th is the SER spec V, 6th was Tiburon, 7th was GTI and LAST was the CIVIC........excellent.
And also they dyno'ed all of them......the SRT4 had more than 2x the torque of the Civic, and beat the next highest HP car (the gti) by about 50WHP!! insane.
They praised the hell out of the MSP for its decent accel, decent LSD, and amazing handling.....but they said the seats suck, and that adding a free flow exhaust (instead of keeping that MP3 stock exhaust) would free some power immediately. They also gave tips on adding a FMIC, and said that getting a boost controller would be good too.
The SRT4 was praised for its insane hp, well designed turbo system, but needs a LSD, and stiffer suspension.
Focus, was praised as the best valueo f them all, just a well balanced car, but they hated how tall the 6 speed trans is, and how bad it felt.
Mini S, was praised for its great steering response and handling, but they don't like the 17" wheels for some reason b/c they look "stupid" and weigh 100 lbs more than 15"ers. They also didn't like the tall gearing, and itnercooler's crappiness.
SER spec V got praise for the great LSD, great gear ratios,a nd good torque, they didn't like the styling, and the suspension.
The tibby got praise for its styling, firm shocks that don't require upgrades if lowered. They didn't like the low RPM power from the V6, they wanted more high RPM, which can be fixed with an intake
the GTI got praise for its good power, but they didn't like the soft as hell suspension, and bad horrid tires.
Lastly, the Civic Si got praise for its nice seats and small steering wheel........thats it
. They didn't like the handling, saying the tire and rim size choice sucks, and that it "flops around too much" . They also said the bakes are overwhelmed, and that it could really use the RSX powerplant (someone say TYPE R ).Anyways, the SRT4 barely won, but I think it deserves it. It was the most expensive of the group, followed by the MSP, and Mini, then Si, GTI, Tibby, SVT and cheapest was the SER.
here are the numbers:
weights:
mini: 2720 lbs
civic si: 2730 lbs
SER spec V: 2750 lbs
SVT focus: 2780 lbs
Mazdaspeed: 2810 lbs
SRT4: 2870 lbs
GTI: 2890 lbs
Tibby: 3040 lbs.
1/4 mile acceleration:
SRT4: 14.2 99.5mph
Mini: 15.4 90.4
GTI: 15.5 91.8
MSP: 15.5 89.4
SVT: 15.7 88.5
Tibby: 15.8 87.0
SER Spec V 15.9 87.5
Si: 16.2 84.3
Lateral grip (200-ft skidpad)
MSP: .89g
Mini .87
SVT .87
SRT4 .85
GTI .85
SER: .84
GTI: .84
Si .83
Slalom (six cone 700ft)
MSP 70.3 mph
SRT4: 69.0 mph
SVT: 68.4
Mini: 68.1
SER: 67.5
Si: 67.4
Tibby: 67.3
VW GTI: 65.7
Lb's per wheel HP
SRT4: 12.9 lbs
GTI: 16.9
Mini: 17.3
SVT 18.5
MSP 18.7
SER: 18.8
Si 19.8
Tibby: 20.5
Get this mag! its at newstands...came out today or yesterday i think..........great read!!
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I will. I really didn't think the January issue was on newsstands in mid-November.Gro Harlem said:
And can we stop saying the MSP doesn't have a FMIC? It's not the one "the euro turbodiesel protege used years ago", it's the one it uses now. As are the brakes. Let's say "The MSP could take advantage of a larger intercooler." That wasn't so hard.
I can see how they could complain about it compared to the SRT-4, which has an IC bigger than the radiators of any three cars in that comparo. Ditto on the seats. Compared to the SRT-4 (and probably GTI) the MSP seats don't have much bolstering.
Oh, and do we think all the SRT-4s will have 220+ wheel HP? Or are the cars being tested right now "specials"?
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Oh boy, the intercooler is front mounted, otherwise it wouldn't be in the front...
But I know what they mean, a more efficient intercooler.
As for the tranny, you get what you get. The tranny is going to hold just fine for the stock car. The only people that I know of who have blown the trannies would the SWC cars, and they are putting I think 240 whp through those.
As for beefing up the tranny, no such luck. There isn't anything better out there short of having everything replaced with stronger pieces, which would all have to be fabricated from scratch. Can you say $$$$$?
As for a boost controller, why? The MSP is running 9 psi stock. You turn that up, your going burn up that little turbo.
But I know what they mean, a more efficient intercooler.
As for the tranny, you get what you get. The tranny is going to hold just fine for the stock car. The only people that I know of who have blown the trannies would the SWC cars, and they are putting I think 240 whp through those.
As for beefing up the tranny, no such luck. There isn't anything better out there short of having everything replaced with stronger pieces, which would all have to be fabricated from scratch. Can you say $$$$$?
As for a boost controller, why? The MSP is running 9 psi stock. You turn that up, your going burn up that little turbo.
i subscribe to SCC, but im on a business trip and probably wont be able to see the article for a week at the earliest, so if anyone would be so kind as to scan it, it owuld be greatly appreciates, if not.....ill live
about the seats though. What is it that SCC doesnt like about them? not enough support when flyin through the slalom? not comfortable? didnt like the looks?
about the seats though. What is it that SCC doesnt like about them? not enough support when flyin through the slalom? not comfortable? didnt like the looks?
PA_MP3_Man
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They said it didn't have enough support when going through the corners and they had to hold on to the steering wheel to keep from leaning and that they are too flat. If they're the same as the MP3 I don't think they're bad at all. They aren't the comfyest I've ever been in but they aren't anything to complain about. And I"m not sure about that PSI being 9 stutters but I'll have to research it first. All they were saying was that more HP can be easily achieved. I thought callaway was a good company, didn't they do some great work with the vettes?
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PA_MP3_Man said:
A guy I know has seen the tech manuals for the MSP and smacked me with the 9 mark. I thought it was 6.9 but I guess not.
Calloway is a good company, they did a great job with the turbo kit. It's just that Mazda isn't very happy with them for a few reasons.
I'm sure more horsepower can easily be achieved. An efficient intercooler will go a along way in helping out. And changing the exhaust will do wonders. Just look at FM's Protege 5 to see that. They made huge gains with just a 2.5 inch cat back set-up.
And that is with the down pipe, or whatever you want to call it that comes off the first cat. That pipe is 1.75" inside diameter.
