MSP Exhaust Manifold Design - Input Needed!

[speed whiz]

Originaly the MSP was Designed for handling and not power in mind and has even won a award for handling but it also sported a 170hp fs-de at 6.5 psi with an garrett t25 ball bearing turbo. The car is also light much power wasn't needed to go fast but callaways poor turbo asembley robs the exhuast flow decreasing power now that we know the ghl turbo system is a 15 to 20 horse difference. My manifold is warped from a boost controller being stuck open running 17psi! Most turbo cars come factory at 15psi.

I orderd from mentaladdiction a tubular turbo manifold for $1200 5 months ago because the stock manifold sucks

 

[Kansei]

good luck getting that mental addition manifold.. it's a nice piece, but you'll probably never see it sadly.

 

[MSP608]

Originaly the MSP was Designed for handling and not power in mind and has even won a award for handling but it also sported a 170hp fs-de at 6.5 psi with an garrett t25 ball bearing turbo. The car is also light much power wasn't needed to go fast but callaways poor turbo asembley robs the exhuast flow decreasing power now that we know the ghl turbo system is a 15 to 20 horse difference. My manifold is warped from a boost controller being stuck open running 17psi! Most turbo cars come factory at 15psi.

I orderd from mentaladdiction a tubular turbo manifold for $1200 5 months ago because the stock manifold sucks

originally the msp was an mp3 and the callaway/garrett package was exactly what mazda wanted step it up. the mp3 tested well, the suspension was awesome and it got great reviews, but go read each mp3 review. just about each one says 'if only it had 30 more hp.' and this is how mazda achieved this with the callaway/garrett. its mazdas ecu tune/lack of rebuilt engine that cause its downfall. it was given a pig rich setup to prevent possbily detonation, and the engine was not beefed up at all. reason for this? cost. they wanted to keep the price down near the low 20's

 

[speed whiz]

I just want my money back. And if DC wasn't bullshiting there would already be a stock MSP replacement

 

[speed whiz]

im with ya brother.

 

[speed whiz]

Maybe keeping the cost at 21,000 was the issue but if u can get a srt4 neon for 19,000 and have more power, with out handeling, and take the extra 2,000 you didn't spend on the msp and bye a coil suspension for the car and that would even up the stats.The msp has a stainless crank from the factory and the bottom end can support up to 300 hp without blowing up so far. So the engine isnt the same as a regular fs block plus mazda olnly made 1700 msp's nationwide meaning low numbers for aftermarket venders to work with. If anything I think the turbo setup for the msp was somthing thron to gether in a hurry just to make it work thats why the ecu is so bad. After all it is the only mazdaspeed car with two versions.

 

[Kansei]

Yes, it is the same EXACT block as ALL OTHER 2.0 PROTEGES. They also didn't make 1700, they made something more like 3500 or so for the states.

ugh.. please get your information right before you start giving everyone the wrong idea.

 

[Earful]

Dude....do you even have a Mazda?

 

[Kansei]

Dude....do you even have a Mazda?

I highly doubt it. Misinformation makes me cry

 

[low_psi]

This guy makes me cry. So much rambling and mis-information its disturbing.

 

[MP3racer]

Maybe keeping the cost at 21,000 was the issue but if u can get a srt4 neon for 19,000 and have more power, with out handeling, and take the extra 2,000 you didn't spend on the msp and bye a coil suspension for the car and that would even up the stats.The msp has a stainless crank from the factory and the bottom end can support up to 300 hp without blowing up so far. So the engine isnt the same as a regular fs block plus mazda olnly made 1700 msp's nationwide meaning low numbers for aftermarket venders to work with. If anything I think the turbo setup for the msp was somthing thron to gether in a hurry just to make it work thats why the ecu is so bad. After all it is the only mazdaspeed car with two versions.

Stainless crank.....where did you get that one????
The MSP has the exact same motor as a 2003 ES model Protege with the turbo package and ECU added on (plus some interior and suspension stuff) at the port in Texas. The MP3 had the cams and ECU from the Japanese FS-ZE motor (with the interior and suspension stuff)

The turbo package was not "thrown on". It was a serious developed package by Calloway. They actually developed significantly more power than the final 170 HP Mazda allowed. Mazda asked them to "detune" the package since they knew the standard tranny would not hold up to much more than that (as I can attest to for sure in the race car ).

Any more thoughts or statements???? (glare)

 

[mspHtown]

Maybe keeping the cost at 21,000 was the issue but if u can get a srt4 neon for 19,000 and have more power, with out handeling, and take the extra 2,000 you didn't spend on the msp and bye a coil suspension for the car and that would even up the stats.The msp has a stainless crank from the factory and the bottom end can support up to 300 hp without blowing up so far. So the engine isnt the same as a regular fs block plus mazda olnly made 1700 msp's nationwide meaning low numbers for aftermarket venders to work with. If anything I think the turbo setup for the msp was somthing thron to gether in a hurry just to make it work thats why the ecu is so bad. After all it is the only mazdaspeed car with two versions.

(rofl) not smart at all.

 

[speed whiz]

The mazdaspeed tranny was built to sustain power with bigger drive axels, a lsd and different gears. No roger this isnt't your tiptcal mazda tranny. Looking for a crank try street unit I heard they have a crank? And if mazda only allowed 170hp why didn't they just give it the Familia sport 20 motor or a fs-ze.

 

[speed whiz]

Same block not the same internals thats why it's called a fs-de.

 

[speed whiz]

Same block not the same internals thats why it's called a fs-de.

 

[otmsp]

are you on crack dude?

 

[Dugg E Fresh]

Yash, you out there?? Any new info? You might want to update this thread with a link as you undoubtedly will need to start a new one if/when this manifold might be produced (just a suggestion). I'm guessing 15 pages including another possible mani is enough to confuse/irritate ppl. Don't really have funds at the moment, but I sure am interested in something better than stock to match up with a new exhaust this summer. Otherwise my only other options are to pay out the ass for a one-of-a-kind fabricated one or try a bore/polish/hone on the stock callaway.

Thanks.

 

[speed whiz]

Dude....do you even have a Mazda?

yes it's a 2003.5 msp
b&m short shifter
Flowmaster exhuast
nology wires
xs boost controller
injen cold air intake
tein springs
exedy stage 2 clutch
apexi electronic box
m3 mirrors
speed hut guages
tenzo petals
jdm headlights
greddy turbo timer
17inch black oxygen rims
greddy type r bow off valve

 

[speed whiz]

are you on crack dude?

are you

 

[otmsp]

its my favorite thing to do but when i`m on it i try to stay away from the boards!