MS3 vs MS6: What Do You Think? *Re Opened*

[Rotary_Powered]

MSP still rocks! It can still hang with the new Si and GTI! Anyways, well hmm... the MS6 is a better all around car because of AWD, better for launching, and more stable. But the MS3 is lighter and makes a great track car...I don't know...

 

[seanw]

Any news on release date or anything else?

Well, per a post on the Mazda Canada forum, a dealer somewhere up there in the hinterland says he'll have 2 cars in 10 days. Another post (from a "Mazda insider"?) then stated that the "okay to release date" is today and speculated that with the boat trip starting today, the cars would arrive in Canada on about Sept. 7th.

 

[seanw]

I agree, but looks are of course subjective, so that's simply a preference. I traded in my STI for an MS6, and of course I lost out on the performance/fun factor (but needed a smoother, easier to live with daily so I sacrificed) big time. Not even close. I can't imagine that a FWD MS3 will hold up at all against any EVO or STi, and the car is a hatchback for that reason. From a roll though, depending on it's tuning, it could give those cars a bit of a run like the SRT did in bone stock vs bone stock form. The SRT of course was way underrated in it's specs, as it dyno averages at 220hp to the wheels. As a former RX8 owner, I'm also aware that the RX8 is overrated on power, being that they rated it in 04-05 at 238hp (232hp now), yet it dyno'ed regularly at 180-185whp, which is way too much drivetrain loss for a RWD car. I dyo'ed my former 01 S2000 at 201whp and it was rated at 240. It was most certainly faster then the RX8, even if I threw 200lbs in the trunk to even out the weight differrence.The MS6 doesn't feel like 274hp, and the 250hp Legacy GT is faster. Mazda is infamous for overrating their performance cars, so we'll have to see.

The MS3 of course is not meant to compete against an EVO or STI, but people who buy this car will want to test them out I'm sure. It's an affordable enthusiast car that will appeal to a younger crowd. Evos and STIs appeal to a younger crowd as well, but they are much more expensive. The MS3 will be a super bang for your buck car. You don't buy an MS6 to race around a track, or take to a drag strip. It's more of a luxury car, which is why it's failed in the enthusiast market. The MS3 will have the lightweight and speed to take out an MS6, but that doesn't make it a better car. For many people speed is what matters. I do wish this MS6 had a bit more power, and wasn't so heavy, but I'm over it, and enjoying it for it's great looks, and luxurious feel. I don't own it as a car to race like I did with my STI, I own it as a car to drive and enjoy it's smooth quiet ride, and nice acceleration and handling for a car this size.

In the end, it's all subjective and we will argue our opinions to death, thinking we are right. The fact is, whatever one individual prefers is what is the best to them, and that's all that matters.

A big amen to that. Incidentally, the SCC test drive article mentions that Mazdaspeed performance benchmarked a bunch of cars during the MS3 dev process and viewed the STi and EVO as "stretch targets".

 

[Cloke]

Well, I see from the mazdausa.com site that they have a price on the MS3 now, if Im reposting i sorry but it's new to me and its my thread. I see the price is starting at $22,835. now I know thats the sports model so whats the price of the GT? Maybe bumping the price about 2 or 3k? As we see Canada may be getting them in 10 so called days. So target date for Americans is early October...

::EDIT::
Just talked with the dealer and they gave me the price for the GT model. $24,590. They showed me the price on a silver MS3 GT thats coming in. ("There's a buzz about them and they are going to sell out fast")

I recommend that if you don't have your deposit down yet ($500) to hold onto it at the dealership.

 

[seanw]

MS3 vs. MS6 minus "offensive" posts

"Well, I see from the mazdausa.com site that they have a price on the MS3 now, if Im reposting i sorry but it's new to me and its my thread. I see the price is starting at $22,835. now I know thats the sports model so whats the price of the GT? Maybe bumping the price about 2 or 3k? As we see Canada may be getting them in 10 so called days. So target date for Americans is early October...

::EDIT::
Just talked with the dealer and they gave me the price for the GT model. $24,590. They showed me the price on a silver MS3 GT thats coming in. ("There's a buzz about them and they are going to sell out fast")

I recommend that if you don't have your deposit down yet ($500) to hold onto it at the dealership." -Cloak

That's good that your dealer is sticking with MSRP, at least so far.

 

[noclue119]

"Well, I see from the mazdausa.com site that they have a price on the MS3 now, if Im reposting i sorry but it's new to me and its my thread. I see the price is starting at $22,835. now I know thats the sports model so whats the price of the GT? Maybe bumping the price about 2 or 3k? As we see Canada may be getting them in 10 so called days. So target date for Americans is early October...

::EDIT::
Just talked with the dealer and they gave me the price for the GT model. $24,590. They showed me the price on a silver MS3 GT thats coming in. ("There's a buzz about them and they are going to sell out fast")

I recommend that if you don't have your deposit down yet ($500) to hold onto it at the dealership." -Cloak

That's good that your dealer is sticking with MSRP, at least so far.

ummm remember mazdaspeed protege when the came out they were more than MSRP. But a year later, mine was bought for like 17k

 

[Captain KRM P5]

wait a year folks, save a few grand

 

[CorkSport]

Put a down on a Black GT edition today. Sale price $23499 includes destination charges ($595). I am very happy about this.
I'll agree that these get cheaper by the end of next year but I could not wait.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

Put a down on a Black GT edition today. Sale price $23499 includes destination charges ($595). I am very happy about this.
I'll agree that these get cheaper by the end of next year but I could not wait.

lucky devil!

 

[Killer]

wait a year folks, save a few grand

Best advice EVAR!

 

[MS6S2K]

My MS6 is a temporary car to either an STI limited or an MS3. The STI limited is likely gonna be out of my budget, so the MS3 is something I'm looking into. I figured why wait on an MS3 and pay more now, when I can take advantage of the killer MS6 lease deal to buy time, figuring the STI limited is only gonna have 800 models produced, and I'm gonna have to pay full sticker, which I refuse to ever do.

I look forward to that day though when this lease is up, and I'll be happy if the MS3 is being sold below invoice at that time, with incentives. Mazda has a habit of overproducing vehicles beyond the demand, and there's always special deals going on on some fabulous models, unlike other car companies. This works well for me, so I hope when this lease ends there's a nice MS3 waiting to be unloaded for a deal like the MS6, because I'm all over that.

 

[seanw]

Put a down on a Black GT edition today. Sale price $23499 includes destination charges ($595). I am very happy about this.
I'll agree that these get cheaper by the end of next year but I could not wait.

Nice! Especially cause WA/OR dealers seem to have been very reluctant to discount the MS6. Okay, there's a dealer in MN who will allegedly honor S-Plan on orders vs. cars on the lot. If that doesn't work out, I'm driving to WA and getting the same deal you got. I wonder what they'll give me for my MS6?

 

[Da 6]

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[seanw]

As you know this thread was closed. I will be re opened to continue the original intent. All we ask is "Do not let history repeat it's self" in this thread. The general warning is at the top of the main section here. In case anyone had questions or difficulty getting to that page I will re post it.



Please adhere to these set guidelines while in this section.

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Hey, who are you calling a post *****? I work HARD for MY post counts. You want to see HOSTILE? Hunh?! I'll show you hostile! Calling me a post ***** and expecting informative posts with no smiley faces. You want to see useless chatter? Check out this thread:

http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=38897.0

Now there's some uninformative post whoring with lots of smiley faces. Call me a post *****! Frig you, man!
(fu)

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[Breeegz]

I am beginning to sway either way...

If I get one in 2008 it'll be a MS3

backup plan
2010 will be MS6 (if still in production)

All this is based on the fact my finantial situation will be different in 2010 after not having car payments for 2 years... who knows, perhaps by then I'll opt for the EVO XIV

 

[Cloke]

Thx Da 6 for the reopen. I appriciate.

 

[Da 6]

Thx Da 6 for the reopen. I appriciate.

Welcome. Can't wait to see what the 3 does against the Cobalt SS and maybe SRT-4. Ford and Mazda are hand in hand when it comes to NOT advertizing specialized vehicles. Vehicles don't sell themselves if the world doesn't even know they exist

Hey, who are you calling a post *****? I work HARD for MY post counts. You want to see HOSTILE? Hunh?! I'll show you hostile! Calling me a post ***** and expecting informative posts with no smiley faces. You want to see useless chatter? Check out this thread:

http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=38897.0

Now there's some uninformative post whoring with lots of smiley faces. Call me a post *****! Frig you, man!
(fu)

Please note: the preceding is an example of exactly the type of post we don't want to see anymore and will be marked for deletion soon. You all just straighten up and fly right OR you, too, will be marked for deletion.(peep)

(burp)

Thats almost what the deleted thread was. Whole lot more smiley faces tho and 'lot less words...

 

[Karma_hunden]

You want a manly car that looks bulky and tough? Buy a MSP6. AWD, heavier but will **** the FWD MSP3 on a 45mph+ roll-on ANY DAY. Not to mention the launch..after that its all about catching up for the feather weight MSP3.

Dont know if you are aware of it, but the MSP3 does an average of 6.1secs from 0-60mph compared to the 6.2secs of the MSP6. 5.3secs is the fastest the MSP3 is capable of, but that has to be on perfect weather conditions etc etc (The MSP6's is 5.4secs). So for those saying the AWD doesnt do any difference, well guess what, it does. One of the few sites http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=116119.

I have owned a 3 and currently a MSP6. Gotta admit the 3 is a fun car to drive and with the improvements of the MSP3 i must imagine it will be GREAT. But, it's still a pocket rocket that will get you little ass, since women barely know what cars run fast and which dont (heck, i think the rx-8 gets more ass than both MSPs but still). Hatches dont have a fast reputation. Mazda really foocked it up with producing jsut a hatch version. I can picture already all these ricey teenagers modding the MSP3 to sound like a fart can...going so fast they wont be able to handle the car and the toll of car accidents will increase. They dont make hatchback lamborghinis/bentleys/etc for a reason.

Always remember, this is where all hatchbacks come from -->> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/54/Cars_008.jpg/275px-Cars_008.jpg

P.S. the srt-4 was descontinued because it is crap. Fast, but crap.

 

[z26]

You want a manly car that looks bulky and tough? Buy a MSP6. AWD, heavier but will **** the FWD MSP3 on a 45mph+ roll-on ANY DAY. Not to mention the launch..after that its all about catching up for the feather weight MSP3.

Dont know if you are aware of it, but the MSP3 does an average of 6.1secs from 0-60mph compared to the 6.2secs of the MSP6. 5.3secs is the fastest the MSP3 is capable of, but that has to be on perfect weather conditions etc etc (The MSP6's is 5.4secs). So for those saying the AWD doesnt do any difference, well guess what, it does. One of the few sites http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=116119.

I have owned a 3 and currently a MSP6. Gotta admit the 3 is a fun car to drive and with the improvements of the MSP3 i must imagine it will be GREAT. But, it's still a pocket rocket that will get you little ass, since women barely know what cars run fast and which dont (heck, i think the rx-8 gets more ass than both MSPs but still). Hatches dont have a fast reputation. Mazda really foocked it up with producing jsut a hatch version. I can picture already all these ricey teenagers modding the MSP3 to sound like a fart can...going so fast they wont be able to handle the car and the toll of car accidents will increase. They dont make hatchback lamborghinis/bentleys/etc for a reason.

Always remember, this is where all hatchbacks come from -->> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/54/Cars_008.jpg/275px-Cars_008.jpg

P.S. the srt-4 was descontinued because it is crap. Fast, but crap.

I have to agree with you on the age group for the MS3. I think we will see a lot of these things in ditches or wrapped around poles.

 

[Da 6]

You want a manly car that looks bulky and tough? Buy a MSP6. AWD, heavier but will **** the FWD MSP3 on a 45mph+ roll-on ANY DAY. Not to mention the launch..after that its all about catching up for the feather weight MSP3.

Dont know if you are aware of it, but the MSP3 does an average of 6.1secs from 0-60mph compared to the 6.2secs of the MSP6. 5.3secs is the fastest the MSP3 is capable of, but that has to be on perfect weather conditions etc etc (The MSP6's is 5.4secs). So for those saying the AWD doesnt do any difference, well guess what, it does. One of the few sites http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=116119.

I have owned a 3 and currently a MSP6. Gotta admit the 3 is a fun car to drive and with the improvements of the MSP3 i must imagine it will be GREAT. But, it's still a pocket rocket that will get you little ass, since women barely know what cars run fast and which dont (heck, i think the rx-8 gets more ass than both MSPs but still). Hatches dont have a fast reputation. Mazda really foocked it up with producing jsut a hatch version. I can picture already all these ricey teenagers modding the MSP3 to sound like a fart can...going so fast they wont be able to handle the car and the toll of car accidents will increase. They dont make hatchback lamborghinis/bentleys/etc for a reason.

Always remember, this is where all hatchbacks come from -->> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/54/Cars_008.jpg/275px-Cars_008.jpg

P.S. the srt-4 was descontinued because it is crap. Fast, but crap.

SRT-4 is comming back again at 300 hp

I have to agree with you on the age group for the MS3. I think we will see a lot of these things in ditches or wrapped around poles.

Yep SRT-4's ended up like that causing insurance to skyrocket past RX-8 into evo range... Also dodge dealers tried to **** you with the "Hi Perfomance Vehicle" markups.