MS Turbo question

[perfworks]

I agree with JDM sam. Here is a quick test, drive your car for a hour. Pop you hood and put your hand on those stock "plactic" pipes. WOW kinda hot. Now find a car with aluminum tubing...have fun scolding your Fu*king hand ...lol. Anyways I believe the companies do this to save money and also keep IAT "intake air temps" down. If you know your HP theory. The colder denser charge of air the more bang.

Now I am not sure about that whole steel tubing idea. Steel may be alittle stronger but alot heavier, have fun bending those pipes, and I can't say I've seen a steel intercooler kit.

I'd go with aluminum and of course powder coated to resist some heat. Then pay a vist to www.designengineering.com . They seem to have their s*** straight. Plus they sell the bad ass CRYOGENTIC freeze kit for your intercooler.

The problem with the piping is not really the material as it is the various diameters and useless bends. The steel tubing can be made lighter with the proper gauge aluminized steel. Stainless is alot heavier but looks better. Aluminum is great but a little more expensive for the proper bends. We use aluminized steel mandrel bent tubing for our kits and custom installs. They work really well. Bottom line the underhood temps will be what they may. Changing the tubing will not decrease that. With the properly designed intercooler system and water injection you'll get really close to ambient temps. If your clever there are many other ways to bring down charge temps from the intercooler which DOES NOT include NOS sprayed upfront.


But to answer someone elses question from the front page. Yes upgrading your pipies will improve the efficiency of the system. It will help keep pressure drop to a minimum if your still using the stock cooler. As far as HP is concerned, IMO with the stock protege i would think you could see earlier spool up and an increase in low end torque. Higher end levels of HP would also increase.

 

[perfworks]

aluminum piping isnt reeally nessecary

I second that

 

[iON Performance]

hesitationhater - yes you're right we'll have our hard-pipe kit out soon, which is upgradeable to our stage 1 FMIC with the addition of just the core as well as 1 charge -pipe This will save you guys money down the road as you won't have to put anything to waste

 

[scottyp99smr]

sweet(thumb) , just let me know when us know when its done ion.

 

[scottyp99smr]

nice

sweet(thumb) , just let me know when us know when its done ion.

 

[MazdaspeedZOOM]

boy he /\ /\ /\ was doubly excited as am I about a hard pipe kit!

 

[scottyp99smr]

sorry double post

 

[MazdaspeedZOOM]

Well I'm taking my car in tomorrow to a shop out by me to see what it would take to make hard pipes for the intercooler. I was looking at it today and there really isn't anything to it other than just a pipe and one nipple/flange for the BPV so we'll see what the guy says. He uses bascially what perfworks does the aluminized steel mandrel bent tubing so it should be pretty high quality and hopefully help the intercooler system run a little more efficeint cause I'm not too keen on running a FMIC just yet, can't quite stomach the 1k for that. I'll let everyone know the price and if I go with it it'll only take a couple of hours so I'll pretty much have it done by tomorrow.

 

[David MPS]

Then pay a vist to www.designengineering.com . They seem to have their s*** straight. Plus they sell the bad ass CRYOGENTIC freeze kit for your intercooler. [/B]

DO you know how much is ?

 

[BigGun22]

actually if im not mistake the evo VIII and the sti wrx come with aluminum hard piping. but all i care about is running them into the ground with my msp which costs $10,000 less. hehe

 

[jred321]

won't aluminized steel rust? with the differences in heat between the outside air and the heat inside of the pipes, i would think moisture would be able to be built up on one side or the other. if, say, any sort of moisture built up inside of the pipe and was left to sit for a little while, you would have rust inside of your pipe, which would eventually fall off and get sucked into your engine. even if it only rusted on the outside (like if running a fmic, the pipes will be exposed to the elements), it will eventually wear out and will look terrible for a long time. am i way off here or is this a reason (besides the quicker heat dissipation of aluminum) why most intercooler pipe kits come with aluminum piping?