MPI Tunner Issue

Focus said:
Correct me if I am wrong guys, but the car needs to be a little leaner at idle with no load? I get A/F ratios usually at 14.5 at Idle sometimes jumping to 15.5 but no idling problems at all.
When i was at the mpi dyno day.

Kooldino..was runnin extra injectors controlled by mpi tuner.
And he wasn't using stock injectors.

at idle..the car ran very lean..especially after it warmed up..i saw numbers at 14-15's.

Chas
 
igdrasil said:
I dont understand....

I DONT HAVE TO RETUNE THIS THING EVERYTIME IT NEEDS TO.

I have to constantly re-tune this thing because one day runs normal and the next day or next hour runs lean..

What if i see it running rich on one run, and then I nail again and runs lean and BOOOM!!!

I dont know....MPNick also blew the MSP that had forged internals and the MPI. so....i dont know what to think.
the msp that fuckec up his piston with forged internals..decided to go racing..with his wastegate set at 16-18psi.

His maps were strictly tuned for C16 Racing fuel.

he ran pump gas 93octane.

He paid the price.

Chas
 
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1st day impression

Just for the record, a reset to the ECU, a beavis map uploaded, started the car and idle is just fine. Im not into tunning yet until a few hundred miles go on the odomoter, but driving around is smooth, a lot smoother than last week.

I found a couple of wires that were possible candidates to be faulty on the ignition side. Those were cut, and clamped again.

Im using the FM clamp, TM is only clamping ACT (AIT)...(remember the TM coolant/AIT/O2 clamp was designed to add even more fuel thru the stock injectors when boost is detected. Im only adding fue thru extra injectors so...the clamp is not needed for my setup.
 
igdrasil said:
Just for the record, a reset to the ECU, a beavis map uploaded, started the car and idle is just fine. Im not into tunning yet until a few hundred miles go on the odomoter, but driving around is smooth, a lot smoother than last week.

I found a couple of wires that were possible candidates to be faulty on the ignition side. Those were cut, and clamped again.

Im using the FM clamp, TM is only clamping ACT (AIT)...(remember the TM coolant/AIT/O2 clamp was designed to add even more fuel thru the stock injectors when boost is detected. Im only adding fue thru extra injectors so...the clamp is not needed for my setup.

Glad to hear it's a little better, keep us updated on your progress.
 
So are you going to tune with the stock injectors now? If not, then why did you cut the MAF wire and run it through the MPI??? That step is not needed if you don't want to manipulate the MAF signal.

If all is well after everything you just did, I suggest that the clamps be replaced with solder or something. They are good for short term, but they do work loose over time.
 
Bigg Tim said:
So are you going to tune with the stock injectors now? If not, then why did you cut the MAF wire and run it through the MPI??? That step is not needed if you don't want to manipulate the MAF signal.

If all is well after everything you just did, I suggest that the clamps be replaced with solder or something. They are good for short term, but they do work loose over time.
I never had problem tunning stock injectors, it was just a problem on boost.
Tunning stock injectors on vacuum was doing fine. So...yes, Im going all the way except on boost, that will be tuned with extra injectors.
 
UPDATE Sept 10, 2004:

AFTER 250 miles on the rewiring....the MPI is now working PERFECT.
The car is behaving like it should. No more hesitations, no more issues at all. It was a wiring problem.

NO STALLS
NO FUEL CUTS
NO STRANGE MAPS OR BEHAVIOR
NO MORE RE-TUNNING HAD TO BE DONE!!!!!!

The car now runs the same A/Fs dialed.

Thanks everyone.
 
igdrasil said:
UPDATE Sept 10, 2004:

AFTER 250 miles on the rewiring....the MPI is now working PERFECT.
The car is behaving like it should. No more hesitations, no more issues at all. It was a wiring problem.

NO STALLS
NO FUEL CUTS
NO STRANGE MAPS OR BEHAVIOR
NO MORE RE-TUNNING HAD TO BE DONE!!!!!!

The car now runs the same A/Fs dialed.

Thanks everyone.
I am very glad to hear this. Thank you for taking the time to hunt down problems with your car. I know some people have got sick of hearing me keep posting about fixing other problems with their car and not the MPI Tuner. Now you can start to add boost and have fun.
 
Its the inexperience I (maybe "we") have, its just frustrating sometimes. So far on record, its always been my fault- human error. The MPI has yet to be at fault.

I wish I could blame it because of my inexperience, but I can't. Its a great system.
 
MPNick said:
Now you can start to add boost and have fun.
(rofl2) you kiddin' right? nah... and loosing another motor?

I know who is going to have some fun. THE RODS INSIDE THE BLOCK...hehehe

Maybe 8-9psi, Im not sure of 10psi

what you think?
 
igdrasil said:
UPDATE Sept 10, 2004:

AFTER 250 miles on the rewiring....the MPI is now working PERFECT.
The car is behaving like it should. No more hesitations, no more issues at all. It was a wiring problem.

NO STALLS
NO FUEL CUTS
NO STRANGE MAPS OR BEHAVIOR
NO MORE RE-TUNNING HAD TO BE DONE!!!!!!

The car now runs the same A/Fs dialed.

Thanks everyone.
I am glad to hear this! As Nick said, time to have a little tuning fun.
 
exactly. 14.7 under no boost is PERFECT. stoich. You don't WANT to run anything other than 14.5-15.5 under no boost!!!!
 
I'm just going to take a shot in the dark here. Perhaps people wish to run just a little bit on the rich side since it's the safer side to have a margin of error. If you get a spot of bad fuel, or something else not planned for - just seems like that might be why.
 
well, i can fully understand running rich under boost, which is what i do, but under normal operations, thats how the car runs. Cars just run at 14.7 (or they will do whatever to run 14.7) under normal conditions. Adding more fuel will IMO, sometimes cause hesitation and excessive carbon buildup. I'd rather run all zeros down low (which is what im doing now)

I USED to add fuel when not needed, and my car was boggy and my gas mileage WAS CRAP. lol.
 
As far as my tunning is...I run 14.7 all around when vacuum is present.
And damn PIG rich (near 10:1 as soon as I go into boost in low rpms) this will make the turbo build up faster , or I must say, JUMP, and the pull is very very good. Then will go to 12-11:1.

Although some people just like to go raising fuel a bit slower, dumping fuel as soon as the 1st psi is built will give you a nice pull.

I will retune this thing, just because my plugs are dying and I cleaned my MAF.
 
igdrasil said:
UPDATE Sept 10, 2004:

AFTER 250 miles on the rewiring....the MPI is now working PERFECT.
The car is behaving like it should. No more hesitations, no more issues at all. It was a wiring problem.

NO STALLS
NO FUEL CUTS
NO STRANGE MAPS OR BEHAVIOR
NO MORE RE-TUNNING HAD TO BE DONE!!!!!!

The car now runs the same A/Fs dialed.

Thanks everyone.
Good 2 hear. I am glad that s*** is finally coming along!

Time to turn up the boost!

Chas
 
igdrasil said:
As far as my tunning is...I run 14.7 all around when vacuum is present.
And damn PIG rich (near 10:1 as soon as I go into boost in low rpms) this will make the turbo build up faster , or I must say, JUMP, and the pull is very very good. Then will go to 12-11:1.

Although some people just like to go raising fuel a bit slower, dumping fuel as soon as the 1st psi is built will give you a nice pull.

I will retune this thing, just because my plugs are dying and I cleaned my MAF.
Just to let youknow..that if and when you initially hit boost...If you are dumping 10:1 a/f fuel..The turbo will not spool fasteer..infact it will create more lag.

When you enter into boost you want to hit 12's a/f..Which is where you will feel the car pull like a mother ******! at 10's you are flooding the combustion chamber..and loosing HP!

Chas
 

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