MP3, MSP and P5 Engine Management solution

[MPNick]

I like reading knowledgeable info, Its just hard to read something from such an ignorant person out to hurt others A knowledgeable person would be able to grow up and get over things. Im saying that Im pretty sure others were informed about your product in a thread for it. Honestly why come in this thread, So you can "enlighten" people with your knowledge? Keep people from being ignorant about cars? Are you going to say that you CARE about others on this fourm that you would want to spend your time in here keeping people knowledeable about this project that you are so deeply invovled in. Why is it you couldnt show some of that oh so pleasant caring towards the 2 doing their best to bring something to the community? Do you know about this particular AEM project?

I have no idea how you an take my last few post's and keep posting what you are. I have at more then one time talked about Andy on this forum. I have posted that we have spoke over the phone a few times and he seems like a cool guy. As for Nick P, he is not on my A or any other list.

As for the AEM why can people like you not just wait and see if it does happen, before you post sh-t?

Thanks again


Later..........Nick

 

[akhilleus]

I think we have come to the collective decision that arguements and bs arent going to advance anyone's products. Although i cant say i agree with MpNick concerning some of his views i have decided that he is entitled to his opinion as long as it remains civil... which he has done. so if we could all try to maintain the viability of this thread it would be a benefit to all. In regards to NA matty you are correct that the tuning options are far fewer.. basically timing and fuel are the critical ones. The AEM will be able to totally correct for any limitations inherent in the stock ecu. Although i cant state # imo there is power to be gained from fuel alone...of course depending on application. A leaning out of the mixture would yield gains on even a stock setup although probably less than 10hp. It comes into value when u are dealing with cams and headwork since these components increase the flow of the af mixture. But again i cannot personally quote figures although on a custom cam setup like twilights i could see a gain of at least 15+ hp if tuned precisely. Timing is another important issue on NA. Much like the mp3 ecu which claims 10hp from mainly advanced timing so would this type of gain seem probable from the AEM. With proper fuel/timing adj. alone on a modified NA protege i could see 20+hp gains easy. This is of course speculation but since perfworks is unwilling to publish #'s until its been tested, i think that these are fair estimates.

 

[Turbo Matty P]

Here's what I want from my NA set-up....Traction control, OBDII control, revised fuel maps, and continuously advancing timing. I run 96 octane fuel and I know even with my MP# ecu there is little to no difference in power. I want a system that will continue to advance timing until the knock sensor detects knock and then it backs off a hair. Instead of just a flat bump of 4* or so I want it constantly upping the timing and checking for knock. This will yield amazing results. Also, I want the VICS to open earlier although I think this is already happening with the MP3 ecu....with my p5 ecu the VICS wouldn't change until about 4300rpms, now it seems that it's switching around 3500rpms. I can give the car about half throttle and feel it open and close...it's weird how it makes the car feel like it's stumbling.

I'm sure the AEM can fix all of these for me.

 

[akhilleus]

oh easily... that is no problem at all. The AEM is very good at working with the timing so it wouldnt be a fixed amount but could be coninously variable. That is also one of the core advantages of the AEM is its adaptability. That is why it works well with OBDII vehicles. and VICS wouldnt be a problem either... i think u will be very happy with the AEM matty

 

[4001]

I have no idea how you an take my last few post's and keep posting what you are. I have at more then one time talked about Andy on this forum. I have posted that we have spoke over the phone a few times and he seems like a cool guy. As for Nick P, he is not on my A or any other list.

As for the AEM why can people like you not just wait and see if it does happen, before you post sh-t?

What Sh-t did I post about the AEM, did I say it was being released soon, what it could do, what kinda power it could make.... Show me where I talked about the details of the project. Your basically telling me Im wasting my time by "talking" about the AEM, so again why are you in a thread about the AEM? This thread was strated for the AEM, for knowledge about the AEM. So again do you know about the AEM project? Go start a thread about other engine mang. if you must.

 

[akhilleus]

FBI14 if u want to learn about the AEM please listen and comment accordingly. MPnick can be very difficult at times but continuing to challenge him here is not the best idea. If u want u can do something in the off topic forum concerning this and i am sure it would become very popular. But by constantly attacking MPnick he wont go away but will keep posting in response. i think we all want this project to be successful no matter what side we are on. And MPnick does have his own thread.. its on the MPI tuner... although that is a whole different can of worms... so if u want to attack him... go to that thread... but not here... feel free to contribute or inquire about the AEM though.. the threadjacking and bs are over

 

[Turbo Matty P]

I'd rather wait to hear from Nick and Andy before promising what the AEM can and can't do. I just wanted to list some things I was looking forward to.

I think everyone needs to shut the **** up unless they have legitimate question or an update from the men themselves.

I'm tired of scanning this thread to see more of MPNick and Micah causing s***. Go trash up your own thread. This thread is for people who want to purchase the AEM unit.

 

[akhilleus]

Matty i can easily promise what the AEM can do. I have spoken to nick personally regarding the unit. I would go into more detail but Nick wants to maintain a level of confidentiality. Trust me though everything i have promised it can do and more

 

[Bigg Tim]

Will it include the sensors and wiring required for true traction control? If so, then there goes the PnP if you want that feature. If no sensors needed, then how is the traction control going to work, or is it more of a launch control?

 

[4001]

FBI14 if u want to learn about the AEM please listen and comment accordingly. MPnick can be very difficult at times but continuing to challenge him here is not the best idea. If u want u can do something in the off topic forum concerning this and i am sure it would become very popular. But by constantly attacking MPnick he wont go away but will keep posting in response. i think we all want this project to be successful no matter what side we are on. And MPnick does have his own thread.. its on the MPI tuner... although that is a whole different can of worms... so if u want to attack him... go to that thread... but not here... feel free to contribute or inquire about the AEM though.. the threadjacking and bs are over

Im tired of seeing him walk all over Perf and put him down every chance he gets...So F that. Yeah he does have his own thread so just stay in there. Im really fed up with his s***. If he wants to come in here and be a dick indirectly or directly to Nick (Perf) well then he knows hes gonna get s*** for it everytime he does now

 

[MPNick]

Im tired of seeing him walk all over Perf and put him down every chance he gets...So F that. Yeah he does have his own thread so just stay in there. Im really fed up with his s***. If he wants to come in here and be a dick indirectly or directly to Nick (Perf) well then he knows hes gonna get s*** for it everytime he does now

I still see that you do not understand what this thread is about. It was posted here a very long time ago that a new product was coming to the Protege market very soon. It has taken much longer then people were told it would. Then questions were ask as to why it was not ready yet. Now you feel you need to act like a child and keep posting your sh-t.

I do not feel that I am acting in anyway what you claim. If you spend some time reading some of the old post's you will see the NickP has done more then his far share of posting that does not make me or the MPI Tuner look good. I have not bashed the AEM tuner on this tread. Like you and most other poeple on this thread I am waiting to see if it works as a PnP system.

I am sorry that you feel bad because alot of people do not like Nick P. I will not get into why people do not like him. This thread is not the place for that and it would take up to much room. I just wish you would wait and see if the PnP does come out before you post anymore BS.


Thanks again


Later.................Nick

 

[Ehawley]

Grow up and take this kindergarten argument somewhere else. HOW ABOUT THE NEXT POST BE DYNO RESULTS!!!? I am following this thread to find out about the new system. If I want to find out about any other systems I will go check other threads. I am so tired of checking this thread and finding garbage. The first page was useful, the next 46 can be deleted.

 

[gino]

I am so tired of checking this thread and finding garbage. The first page was useful, the next 46 can be deleted.

I think this speaks for all of us. (group)

 

[Turbo Matty P]

I'm just going on a hunch here, but I think Nick and Andy are going to put off making any announcements until after the May 8th open house at Andy's new shop. This makes perfect sense to me. He says they have a hug secret/surprise for us and Andy is hoping the dyno is installed in time.....hmm....anyone else capable of putting two and two together??

I wonder how many orders MPNick has for his MPI unit.....I bet it's not as many as Perfworks has for his AEM. Good things come to those who wait....and ......you get what you pay for.

 

[DooMer_MP3]

I wonder how many orders MPNick has for his MPI unit.....I bet it's not as many as Perfworks has for his AEM. Good things come to those who wait....and ......you get what you pay for.

(argh) Must............not...........respond................argh.....................

 

[4001]

I still see that you do not understand what this thread is about. It was posted here a very long time ago that a new product was coming to the Protege market very soon. It has taken much longer then people were told it would. Then questions were ask as to why it was not ready yet. Now you feel you need to act like a child and keep posting your sh-t.

I do not feel that I am acting in anyway what you claim. If you spend some time reading some of the old post's you will see the NickP has done more then his far share of posting that does not make me or the MPI Tuner look good. I have not bashed the AEM tuner on this tread. Like you and most other poeple on this thread I am waiting to see if it works as a PnP system.

I am sorry that you feel bad because alot of people do not like Nick P. I will not get into why people do not like him. This thread is not the place for that and it would take up to much room. I just wish you would wait and see if the PnP does come out before you post anymore BS.

Considering there was no official release date whats it to you, its not like he released it, people were running the car with the product and then having their cars sit in garages cause of problems. So since its not out yet I guess your so involved with the Project you feel the need to answer the questions as to why its not out yet. As you said about the posts that Perf has posted you used a key word OLD. What BS am I posting about the AEM please show me that I in some way posted that it is better than another product or can do something or when its coming out. Stop putting words into others mouths, which you do habitually. You dont have to feel like your acting the way Im claming, just doesnt mean your not..."Ignorance is Bliss." There are enough of people who dont like you and I hope its obvious how I feel about you. You call me childish and you are the one who recently just made a comment (a few pages back) about Nick being a Homo because someone said he could kiss him that he was making him that happy (Which was a joke), That was unbelievably mature. No, you have bashed the AEM, not only was your asinine argument about why it has not been released yet for the Proteges enough you had to bring the Evos into the picture and say it hasnt done a thing good for them. Stop brining your bias, erroneous, ignorant posts into this thread.

 

[akhilleus]

Matty i believe they are planning to do the dyno's this weekend.. not may 8th. I talked to Nick last friday about it. And yes Mpnick can be full of crap sometimes... but it doesnt matter cause i feel that he has been called on enough things where people dont need to be constantly reminded about his supposed ignorance. And the traction control will not need any extra wires or sensors... thats all i can say. So thanks for the input FBI although u have mainly repeated most of what I, matty and others have said.

 

[Turbo Matty P]

Whats up Doomer?? Has MPNick sold more than say....20 MPI tuners?? I know of 2 maybe three board members who use this product. I know of about 15 people here that are waiting for Perf's. (I for one).

I also know how traction control is done without additional sensors. It's muay bein (sp? I speak german so I don't know)

The AEM has a lot of usefull features that can be incorporated at any time should those features be needed. It's very nice to have virtually unlimited capability.

For the record I'm interested most in the parrallel unit. I don't need a whole lot of control, just enough to handle advanced timing and an ass-load of N20.

 

[akhilleus]

u will be very happy matty

 

[DooMer_MP3]

Whats up Doomer?? Has MPNick sold more than say....20 MPI tuners?? I know of 2 maybe three board members who use this product. I know of about 15 people here that are waiting for Perf's. (I for one).

I also know how traction control is done without additional sensors. It's muay bein (sp? I speak german so I don't know)

The AEM has a lot of usefull features that can be incorporated at any time should those features be needed. It's very nice to have virtually unlimited capability.

For the record I'm interested most in the parrallel unit. I don't need a whole lot of control, just enough to handle advanced timing and an ass-load of N20.

Actually, there's 7 people that actually post on here often, that have the MPI tuner, and a couple of MSPs, and most likely a handful that don't post much... As for the 20 people waiting for the AEM, I wouldn't count on it. I'd like to see the actual numbers of people who put the money up when it comes out. Not trying to be a jerk, but its always about 50-60% of people who REALLY go through with things like this for various reasons (unforseen circumstances, bills, product takes too long to come out/arrive etc so they get something else)...

As for the drama here. Both Nick's LOVE to take subtle jabs at each other. Things like "the blind will soon see", "I just post facts about a unit that is actually available" etc. Just trying to get under each other's skin. I think it harms both of them to do that. But we customers can't say false things about EITHER system and not respect the system's maker to come on and dispell complete lies. It will detract from their sales, so they have every right to confront the person. Telling MPNick or perfworks to stay off the thread when something completely untrue is posted about their product simply doesn't make sense. People just need to shut the **** up and get along for once.

Chris