MP3, MSP and P5 Engine Management solution

[4001]

As a side note here have you ever looked at any other ECUs out there? I mean companies like Motec, TECIII, DFI GEN7, PRS8 and about ten other companies. They all have very good things that they can do. The AEM is not the first or even the only company that offers all of these options that you are talking about. One may do this and the other may do that. Not knocking what you may have seen, but a 500hp AEM/EVO is not a very big deal anymore. People have made more power then that without the AEM. As for 3D maps, the MPI Tuner has 3D maps for tuning the fuel, the spark and the extra injectors.

Not one word was said about the oh so precious product you have and yet you still compare units. Do you know what it means to stop

 

[Micah]

(hah)

I will see it running on a protege in about a week, @ wagners.

Okay, so that's 7-10 days right??? (poke)

Kewl, I'm waiting to see how things work out. This could be a huge step for Wagner and Perf.

 

[Turbo Matty P]

I'm still waiting for the mods to come in and clean this s*** up. Do I have to start pissing people off to get the mods attention again? Maybe I'll throw the "N" word around, that seems to get Liunux's attention real quick. Maybe then someone will come in here and clean this s*** up.

 

[MPNick]

Not one word was said about the oh so precious product you have and yet you still compare units. Do you know what it means to stop

Grow up, I was asking a question and pointed out a facts on more then just my system. He did not take it any other way. This forum is about exchanging knowledge and info. If you have a problem with reading to much knowledge do not read any post's.


Thanks again


Later.........Nick

 

[igdrasil]

Yeah, Im working on a new proyect, and possibly im going standalone with a TECIII or a TECII which is more economic. Looking for a 12sec with stock internals.

 

[kid prodigy]

igdrasil tell me how that works out for you.

 

[Bigg Tim]

I think the AEM is so appealing to everyone because they are promising plug and play. You don't have to splice the unit in. Plus you can program it to control just about everything, if not everything all the other companies ems's can. I thought about the others, but ultimately I want the simplest system, with the flexability to control anything I throw at it. Also, any shop familiar with the software will be able to custom tune the unit for individual needs if necessary.

PnP is an awesome feature, but how can you have a PnP for the Protege, then use the same setup for another car? I'm sure the Protege and the EVO or STI have different ECU connectors. To say you can have a PnP EMS to transfer from vehicle to vehicle sounds fishy. Maybe I missunderstood, will it be PnP from vehicle to vehicle, or only PnP to the Protege, then you have to wire it in or change the harness for another vehicle?

 

[Metal MP5]

obviously you need a different set of wires for different cars .....

duno how much that costs though. but when you have the unit already, what's the big deal in getting the wires for another car ?

 

[igdrasil]

And Im sure that not even the 75% of the poeple here that posted questions and stuff will have the balls or the money to pay for this unit.

 

[MPNick]

obviously you need a different set of wires for different cars .....

duno how much that costs though. but when you have the unit already, what's the big deal in getting the wires for another car ?

I am not so sure about this. If you go to the AEM website you will see about ten PnP units. The price for each units is anywhere up to $400.00 from each other. They may have made changes from unit to unit in order to work with that car. I do not know for sure how they work there system. Not all coil drivers work with every coil. I know for a fact at first the AEM was burning up coils in the EVO 8. They did make a change to the hardware and they fixed the problem.


Thanks again


Later..........Nick

 

[kid prodigy]

I really dont know much about cars, but is a PnP unit really that good ??

 

[TiGrayMsp716]

uh have you ever looked at he wiring under your hood. If you don't think that too complicated you could use any standalone you'd like....

 

[kid prodigy]

ok, i'll just have my buddies do everything for me since im no good with cars

 

[Micah]

I really dont know much about cars, but is a PnP unit really that good ??

As opposed to cutting and soldering a bunch of wires in your passenger footwell??? - Yes, most would seem to think so.

PnP of course signifies more than this, I believe they are going for a system which you can literally plug into the stock ecu harness and start up the car. New maps will be loaded onto the unit targeted to each specific application (i.e. - to the cars needs and owners tastes).

When they release it 'in a few weeks', if it's all that they intend it to be - it's going to be amazing. I'm sitting here watching just as much as everyone else. I have no desire to mess with my protege again, but I would like to see others go f/i and forged. Our cars are sweet little beasts under boost, I loved it while I had it, but I'm not about to tempt fate again. So I'm paying off my car by the end of this year, then saving for something nicer. I intend to drive my protege until it dies, but who knows?

 

[kid prodigy]

thanks micah, but i'm still leaving everything up to my friends to do for me

 

[Turbo Matty P]

How about EVERYONE stop all of the speculation and rumor-talk until the two people who are actually building the unit comment on it. It makes it much easier to educate people about a product when you first don't have to dispell myths and rumors.

Andy and Nick will post info when they feel they have enough pertinent information to share with everyone. Keep in mind (micah) that they each have other stuff going on and helping the protege community neither pays their bills nor fulfills their lifes dreams. They are doing this as a favor to those of us who can use this technology. This isn't necessarily a top priority for them (I can't speak for them---unlike other people who try to).

I would rather wait for this product another year than have a half-ass rush job released. I'd wager the title to my car that they have the ECU up and running on the protege, they are just doing auxillary tuning required to make it worth the cost. This is how you're supposed to develop a product.

Back on topic: P&P is a must-have. Even for someone mechanically inclined like myself. I would rather pay an extra $700 for a product that is P&P than a unit that will need to be custom wired and potentially have electrical problems for the life of the vehicle. That peace of mind is EASILY worth the extra money. Anyone here feel 100% comfortable with custom wiring their vehicle with a stand-alone computer system??

Don't expect huge gains on a NA motor, expect very nice power gains on the turbo motors. I'm sure Nick and Andy have some nice things in store for us NA guys. I'm guessing Traction control, fuel control, ignition timing, VICS control, on-board dyno, on-board OBDII control, etc.....this is all very exciting...at least for me anyway.

 

[akhilleus]

Its good to be back on topic. And Matty those are just a few of the features that it could provide to NA people. Turbo people have even more possibilities. And yes from what perf told me it could be moved between two different vehicles and u just get a base map update. It is completely pnp, wire harness just plugs in.

 

[TiGrayMsp716]

The AEM system is a good as the tuner. IF you know someone that does not think it works Tell them to take it to a professional with experience with the AEM. It's one of the most user friendly systems out and it has tons of options. Once they finsh and have the system up and ready for proteges it'll be up to you or you tuner or shop to pull all the potential out of your setup.

 

[Turbo Matty P]

TiGray....I agree with what you said about tuning being the only limiting factor, but that's not 100% true. Once the fuel maps are optimized and ignition timing is set (or set on a pre-set adjustment table) then there is very little else to tune on a N/A vehicle. I am by now means a compitent tuner or a computer techincian, but I'm an old school hotrodder and I know the capabilities and limitations of the ECU. There is pne true standard when ti comes to engines and power. Air in, burn it completly, and get it out ASAP. This is how you make power. Without FI there is no way to get more air in ,so everything else that is dependent on that will not be highly adjustable.

I'm still extremely excited about this product becuase I know about the horrible level of tunining done on the Protege ecu. I know our cars are designed to meet ULEV (ultra-low emmissions vehicle). Personally I live in a non-emmissions state so I will be elimintating my cats and all emissions related operations. I'm also going to be upgrading my cams and Nick will be able to make whatever adjustments neccessary in the AEM to take better advantages of this extended lift and duration.

 

[4001]

Grow up, I was asking a question and pointed out a facts on more then just my system. He did not take it any other way. This forum is about exchanging knowledge and info. If you have a problem with reading to much knowledge do not read any post's.

I like reading knowledgeable info, Its just hard to read something from such an ignorant person out to hurt others A knowledgeable person would be able to grow up and get over things. Im saying that Im pretty sure others were informed about your product in a thread for it. Honestly why come in this thread, So you can "enlighten" people with your knowledge? Keep people from being ignorant about cars? Are you going to say that you CARE about others on this fourm that you would want to spend your time in here keeping people knowledeable about this project that you are so deeply invovled in. Why is it you couldnt show some of that oh so pleasant caring towards the 2 doing their best to bring something to the community? Do you know about this particular AEM project?