MP3, MSP and P5 Engine Management solution

[perfworks]

I think Nick said that the AEM runs a closed loop mode until it needs to switch, ie boost. I'm not sure how it controls it though, I'm sure he'll be here soon to clear that up.

Thanks for the info Nick, just gimme some time for things to fall into place

In reality If I were to go over HOW we do it then I would put all our hard work in harms way. I think we have given enough lessons to some companys already. As you can see what Flyn Protege has said all along has been right. Now everyone incorporates a Voltage clamp in the car no matter what EMS they use.
Fortunately we have found a way around this and running the car will be no problem in any drive cycle.

 

[Jeph]

Ok cool, I know i'm not going to need the FMU if i can save the money for the AEM. I just can't afford to blow an engine at this point, so i see this as a solution to safetly boosting my car.
Ooh, does anyone know where i can get a T3 for relatively cheap?

 

[perfworks]

By the way to answer another question I missed. It will only work with windows 98 and above. Sorry.

 

[Turbo Matty P]

zooooooom, ebay brother...T3's from $300 and up.

 

[Jeph]

yeah, i've seen, but i question the integrity of some of those units.

 

[p5sundevil]

I just read through 14 pages of this and dont even plan on an ecu or FI upgrade for at least a yr. And yet I still consider this headache well worth the knowledge that I gained, All I need to do now is win the powerball on wednesday and im all good to go =)

The way I looked at the price situation is if you bought a desktop computer with the software loaded on it that would be equivilant to the amount of software that will be running on this ecu and the time involved in the R&D of those programs you are gonna be at 2grand. And this is a computer not that you do documents, graphics and gaming on, it controls your damn car.

=)

GJ to perf and andy

 

[oldzoomer]

Will this solution resolve the issue of the fuel/boost cutoff post-flash when switching gears? This has been described by a few MSP owners as similar to "hitting a wall", "hesitation", "jerking" when switching gears while generating significant boost.

Will it resolve the overich condition seen on the MSPs?
If it does, will it change gas mileage?

Will it make my MSP as fast as the new Ferrari in my neighborhood?

 

[perfworks]

Will this solution resolve the issue of the fuel/boost cutoff post-flash when switching gears? This has been described by a few MSP owners as similar to "hitting a wall", "hesitation", "jerking" when switching gears while generating significant boost.

Will it resolve the overich condition seen on the MSPs?
If it does, will it change gas mileage?

Will it make my MSP as fast as the new Ferrari in my neighborhood?

Yes
Yes
Yes
No








LOL
The ems will control all aspects of engine performance. You will not have the same issues as those described above.
The Ferrari has a little more displacement than the protege stock. If he stays still you may have a chance

 

[igdrasil]

Will it make my MSP as fast as the new Ferrari in my neighborhood?

for that, you just need a new BOV

 

[Emode]

will we be able toget it tuned for use with an atmospheric bov, or will we need to switch to a map sensor for that?

 

[03MSP]

will we be able toget it tuned for use with an atmospheric bov, or will we need to switch to a map sensor for that?

Yes, you can open vent with a BOV with this system, he has answered that.

EDIT: not yelling at you, I know it can be hard to sift through 15 pages of posts

 

[doggman]

now is that with the stand alone or with the parallel or both?
the being able to vent that is.
thanks
-dave

 

[hukster00]

both

 

[Mental Addiction]

will we be able toget it tuned for use with an atmospheric bov, or will we need to switch to a map sensor for that?

You should be able to DUMP the Maf all together.

 

[ViksMSP]

And just slip a filter on that turbo inlet and live a happy life without a intake. Just like the supra guys right??

 

[upsman]

Here is a question for you that hasn't been asked yet.

Do you know anything about the JDM FS-ZE engine? If so will your system work with it? I have an intake, header, exhaust, and the FS-ZE engine (higher compression) 10:5:1 in my car.

Thanks

 

[4001]

Wicked good job Nick and Andy

 

[midnightracr]

Can a T3/T4 Garret turbo fit on the Wagner kit? If so I'll just wait until I can afford that and the AEM

 

[70]

Stock Injectors - 300cc at 43 psi.
The 440 cc are good but I would liek to see people go a little larger. That way they dont have to upgrade down the road again if they go forged and up the boost. But 440 will work great for 300 WHP

You wouldn't have a need for the O2 clamp any longer.

The AEM has its OWN closed loop feedback control. In theory I COULD run the car in closed loop ALL the time if I wanted to. It will depend on how well the tune is implimented to the mods on the car. DONT forget that just because we are all used to saying CLOSED loop with 14.7 :1 A/F ratios , they think that it is the way it will work with the AEM. Not really how it works.
Closed loop just means that it receives feedback from the O2, and various other sensors, and will look up the target A/F ratio we have implimented to correct the map with.
But I like to run closed loop operation only under atmospheric conditions, cruising and partial throttle. When under boost we convert to open loop. That way we dont have to fight the feedback control from the O2 input.
It is completely different than the Link setup on the miatas.
The AEM and the stock ECU come together really well with the way we spec'd it all out. Unfortunately I cant go over specifics on HOW we do it. I think you understand WHY

Cool, thanks Nick. What size injectors do you think people should go with, if not the 440cc's?

I've been awake for too long now and I'm not sure if I make sense about this stuff anymore.

I understand that you can't say why. And thank you for saying that you can't say why instead of blowing smoke up my ass.

 

[hukster00]

y not make youre own t3t4 kit, if you get the ems every thing els shoud be eazy