Mazdaspeed6 Intermittent Lack of Power Concern Fix Available

[morgan2112]

Here's an update for you all...

My local Mazda dealer performed some test's in conjuction with the Mazda Tech hotline...(thanks for your help Ed)
Here is a quote from their findings:

"Roadtest, observe data, found vehicle maintains boost of 24-25 psi over 4200 rpms. Contact hotline advised of torque curve has been modified, horsepower has not".

So in a nut shell, the recall performed by Mazda included a decreased torque curve but they kept the horsepower curve the same. Basically they have reduced the power in the higher rpm range.

Let's keep our fingers crossed that Mazda are working on an improved PCM reflash. The more of us that complain the better...

On a side note, has anyone looked into an after market PCM flash?

ALL along I and others have been saying how this car could be the real deal if MAZDA would hook it up proper with a little more research/(PCM)tuning. However, I have yet to find any credible or real answers. (pissed)
Here's hoping that Mazda puts on a classic game-winning 80-yard Drive!!!(alright) (alright)
(drinks)


(drunk)

(bike)
(drive2) (drive) (five-0) (five-0) (wrc) (band) (enguard) (huh)
moral of the story = I must have a new PCM comprehensive program/flash in order to out-run the PO-Po / 5.O!!! (cheers2)
(boom05) (gossip) (group)

 

[mssixter]

Have 1700 miles on my MS6. Just doesnt pull like it did the first week that I got it. Still pulls, but I dont think like it did (could I just be use to it now? lol). All I put in my vehicles is 93. The car had 200 miles on it when I got it new. So I have no idea on what octane they put in it. Last week when they put my MP3 player in the car, I asked him if there was the flash done to my car, and he told me all the MS6's they had already had them done. Talked with my salesman today to set up an appt. to see about this flash issue. I'm suppose to go in on Monday and get this looked into more. Glad I read this. I dont know if I'm going to go and get this done until they get a more solid solution for this.

 

[ms6denver]

thanks for the update Lee123

btw, which dealership in Denver are you going to Lee? Is that Ed at Burt south?

2 days ago I called Ed and he told me I should check back in 6 weeks... No idea if that means there will be an update by then or not. Do you have any printouts of your results? He said another ms6 owner was raising cain there, must have been you...

mssixter - I remember thinking the same thing at about 2000 miles, I think you just get used to haulin ass and it seems normal. I have 19,000 on mine and I can sense the suspension is getting a tiny bit softer, other than the recent "flash of castration" I think its still pretty nimble. My suggestion - just go faster, once you feel the rear end loosen up around a curve on dry pavement you'll feel it again.

 

[Lee123]

...lol...raising cain.....hell more like. When ya spend 30k on a car you kinda expect it to work as designed ya know...

Yeah, Ed at Burt on Arapahoe...he's a good guy though. I do have a print out, but I pretty much typed what it says in the previous post...not too much else really...

Really hoping that Mazda is working on it. Check in with Ed and Mazda's main office every month or so...that's my plan. Keep the pressure on them to get it fixed...

 

[the gamper]

Devective flash update

I sent a letter to Mazda expressing my dissapointment for the performance downgrade we all got. I suggest you all do the same. I referenced this site and all the unhappy members. If you know of any other documented malcontents out there it may be a worthwile to mention. As a side note, I called the customer assistance phone number and was told that they were not aware of a problem and no fix or update was in the works.

Send to

Attention Customer Assistance Center
Mazda North American Operations
P.O. Box 19734
Irvine, CA 92623-9734

 

[JJxUSAF]

I got the fix today, and I have to say that based on what I read here, it is greatly exaggerated. I did not notice a huge change in power, and the car still drives fine to me.

That being said, I am not some performance nut who takes it to redline every time I leave a stoplight. My car has rarely if ever seen anything higher than 4500. I'm speaking solely about normal driving. To me, it doesn't feel any different. I can still feel the turbo kick in and the car pull at just over 3000, and it still has plenty of power.

 

[doogie]

CUSTOMER STATES HAS A SOLID CEL .

Dealer pulled the following code: P2407 "leak pump circute erratic. PCM incorrect calibration. Reflash part number: AJAYA1888ID"

CAUSE: F0010XFX POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE - REFLASHING

"REFLASH PCM WITH UP DATED CALIBRATION AS PER MAZDA"

The car drives a bit differently in that boost on set is later and higher up in the rpm rage (31-32k) but it seems to pull higher up in the rpm range as opposed to the previous flash that was calibrated on delivery. Power is still there but is seems to have lost some of its torque.

 

[Jonesy32]

powerloss

I have read all of these posts on the turbo powerloss the MS6's are encountering and it has just made me more confused as to what to do????
I just purchased my MS6 2 weeks ago and I have aruond 300 miles on it (it had 20 miles on it when I picked it up). I am experiencing the same powerloss everyone is talking about, ALREADY!! This car just absolutely flew when I picked it up and now it just seems VERY sluggish. I contacted the dealership and questioned him on the reflash (my car was manufactured in January '06 so it falls under the recall). He calls me back and tells me that my car was NOT reflashed at all but it was a voluntary recall and if I experience the problems to let him know.
Question I have is...should I do it?? Reason for hesitating is a few people said in their posts that the reflash actually lowers factory boost to get around the sensitivity issue the motor has.
HELP!!!! What are people's thoughts???

 

[ClevelandSpeed6]

Mazda Recall #4106E

I received a friendly Recall Reminder from my dealership last week and made an appointment without giving it much thought. When I asked the dealer what the recall was for he said some MS6's weren't passing emissions in some of the stricter states. I should have read these posts prior to making my appointment.
Driving back from the dealer at lunch today I thought that I was experiencing less power than usual. Called the dealer and he said that the flash changed the fuel to air mixture. If you aren't having problems I'd pass on this Recall until further notice. Might try and get is flashed back to the original settings.

 

[jdub260]

If you can run Sunoco 94 do it, that's all I ran prior to the reflash and I never had a problem with it. I did have powerloss issues with some Marathon 93 but never with the Sunoco 94. My dealer told me I had to get the flash when I had the car in for an oil change so I did it and I've been unhappy ever since. But fear not Cobb is going to make a programmer for the MS6 next spring then we can really get the Air Fuel Mixture leaned out and see what the MS6 can really do.

 

[RsxtypeS]

No question about this situation, the thing is the dealer should be able to see it...the boost must be way off what it was before this stupid update...I can understand making a change if someone does not have access to 93+ octane, but for those of us that do we are getting penalized by what appears to be a detune job...I'm not happy about it either.

So where do we go from here?? (enguard)

Isnt this flash up to the driver/owner? If I bring in my car for an oil change and they tell me I need to get this done I am going to get in my car and leave and just get oil changed elsewhere. They cant make you get a reflash

 

[Afroman]

I just got this in the mail today.

The first couple of replies indicated that this fix, isnt too bad and they didnt notice anything.

Others indicated that its horrible and the car runs like crap.

Its been a while since a lot of people have had this done. Do you feel any different about your choice? Has it gotten better / worse?

thanks.

 

[jdub260]

I just got this in the mail today.

The first couple of replies indicated that this fix, isnt too bad and they didnt notice anything.

Others indicated that its horrible and the car runs like crap.

Its been a while since a lot of people have had this done. Do you feel any different about your choice? Has it gotten better / worse?

thanks.

As far as daily driving goes it's not that bad, but I Auto-X my MS6 and the flash smoothes out the power curve which really hurt my times. I liked it more when the power kicked in hard and early, that works better for second gear parking lot racing. It is a little slower but not a show stopper just a "complaint" but all will be fixed by COBB this spring.

 

[udelslayer]

That reflash is ugg'n fugly.

I'm not a Mazda owner....but I have worked on a few FD/FC RX7's in my time (I can swap an engine in about 6 hours).....I drive a WRX, so I am interested in the awd platforms of these disi 4cyl beasts. Here is the thing.

A coworker just got his flashed after having boost drop issues. Now you cant accelerate in the car. It feels like the wastegate is not regulating the boost properly and that its spiking and trying to compensate by completely losing all boost. Upon 3rd gear acceleration at around 4K, it studders BADLY. So bad, in fact, its outright dangerous to drive.

I cant believe a company like Mazda that badges something as a "mazdaspeed" item would put this on the road before serious tests. Are all of you experiencing these issues? The dealerships are lost. They dont know what to do other than follow Mazda's instructions on how to fix stuff, replace this, replace that....but I can see the power potential of the car.

Anyone here got an FSM for this 2.3 DISI? I'm really hunting it down for my coworker to see if we cant isolate this issue ourselves. I dont know if its the reflash or if its a defect in the car itself. The damn windows wont go down now..... wTF?

thanky

j

 

[doogie]

There most be another issue that is currently affecting the cars performance. My GT has had the re-flash for over a month and have no issues with the. The performance is still up to par and milage has actually gotten alittle better. The power delivery is smoothe off boost, partial, and full throttle up to 5-6K where it falls as with all MS6 that I have heard about. So as far as that substantial power loss that you have discribed, there has to be some other problem that is happening. Take it to another dealer to run a full diagnostic and explain in detail what the car is doing and not doing. Ask also if they have the current flash update from Mazda. As long as the car has no aftermarket performance mods there will be no problems solving this issue.

 

[Lee123]

Here's a message to all MS6 owners that are experincing this "Lack of Power" issue.
If you haven't already done so, complain to your Mazda Service Manager. Make sure the problem is diagnosed and a case is opened to the Mazda tech center. Make sure you receive a REF number.
I have just heard (from my sm) that if Mazda receives enough complaints Mazda will envoke a full recall for this matter.
It's now in our hands to make this happen...

 

[hotrodtrk]

I also had mine reflashed due to a bad studder around 4k and a total boost loss. This would happen on ocassion usually when running hard or under a load like going up a good sized hill. The reflash fixed most of the issue but what a power loss. I almost feel like I'm driving a family car now. High end power and speed are gone. The car sucks and as soon as I can unload it, it's gone unless Mazda does something about it. No way to prove it unless you had a certified dyno done before and after. Since I still had the same problem oh so slightly after the flash, I took it in and they did some further adjustment. Now it sucks even more. I told the service tech, and I will be taking the car back soon to fix the issue. I can't believe Mazda is screwing us this way. This is the last one I'm buying.
It feels as if the car wants to go but the computer is telling it to hold on now, we don't want to pollute the air. I'm still feeling a lot of hesitation between 2500-3500 rpms. Almost as if the boost cannot stay steady. I did find that sometimes when I double press the accelerator it seems to help. And the wierd thing is sometimes it hauls butt, then the next time I get on it there isn't much of anything there. I just don't get it.
I'm thinking If they don't fix it, and I can't lemon law it, or prove there is a HP/torque loss and claim fraud, the best thing I can do is wait until the warranty is gone and change out the computer to an aftermarket type with half the other parts on the motor. Funny thing is, if Mazda added some of these better parts when building the car we wouldn't be putting up with all of these issues. I would gladly pay an additional couple of grand for quality performance parts. And I bet with the proper tune, emissions wouldn't be an issue.
Has anyone found a fix for the power loss issue, or are we all waiting for Mazda to fix it? Mazda needs to get their heads out of their @$$es. I have already stopped two people from purchasing the ms6 due to the issues. I'll keep on yelling until they get their act together.

 

[Koenig]

hotrodtrk........thanks a lot man, I'm going to get my car dyno'd I've had it for a week bought it April 28th it's a 2006 model speed6... I'm gonna go to this AWD dyno garage and have some runs made on it.... and then keep that.... and just in case i need to take my car in for anything, and they reflash the ecu without asking me or letting me know until after, then i'll redyno it and have proof.... not bad. Glad I read this thread, I'm gonna get on that ASAP.....

 

[wannabe]

hotrodtrk........thanks a lot man, I'm going to get my car dyno'd I've had it for a week bought it April 28th it's a 2006 model speed6... I'm gonna go to this AWD dyno garage and have some runs made on it.... and then keep that.... and just in case i need to take my car in for anything, and they reflash the ecu without asking me or letting me know until after, then i'll redyno it and have proof.... not bad. Glad I read this thread, I'm gonna get on that ASAP.....

they probably did it already. check your drivers door jamb...i bet theres a sticker attestign to it...

 

[Koenig]

I'm walking out to my car right now to look, lol... the thing is it's a 2006 that was owned in Arizona for 25 days then given back to the dealer and driven from the dealer in AZ to a dealer in FL.... so it had 4803 miles when I bought it (i put on 2 miles test driving it). The sticker would be on the jamb down near where the sticker is for the tire information?