Mazdaspeed3!!

[BlkZoomZoom]

Believe me you'd be lucky if I serviced your car I'm buy the book and very picky,getting in trouble at times for it because I don't do patch work I find and repair problem's, my rant is mearly because after all these years and products I've never been hit with so many wierd problems and service bulletins. but you're right out of the current litter it's in the top.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you should be (probably are) working at a jiffy lube. 95% of the time you have a problem with a Mazda they have already heard of it and have updated parts with a detailed TSB helping you out on the diagnois. The TSB's are there to help you. You should try working on a VW, they update their TSB's like every 2 months, their Tech Line guys do not talk to one another so they are basically useless, and on top of that they 10x's weirder problems.

Working on a Mazda is like going on vacation.

 

[CHICO2003]

soo how much money is that? you can make all accounts payable to me. as I also said, I read it on a Mazda site(not just some mazda forum).

it was (obviously) an expression. anyway, this mazda site you refer to... care to it with us? Out of the dozens sites I've been to, speculation runs rampant. I've yet to find anyone who seems as confident as you do so please, provide us with some proof.

 

[vindication]

it was (obviously) an expression. anyway, this mazda site you refer to... care to it with us? Out of the dozens sites I've been to, speculation runs rampant. I've yet to find anyone who seems as confident as you do so please, provide us with some proof.

I know it was an expression. just fuxin with yah. and as for the mazda site, I'm still lookin for the webpage I found a link to. so that may sound like I'm lying but take it as you will. If I find it again I'll post it up.

 

[CHICO2003]

nah... I believe that you read what you read. I just want to gauge just how credible the source truly was. I don't know you from Adam (wtf that means) so I'm not about to assume anything. One of the reasons I haven't bought a WRX yet is because I'm holding out for this car. If it's true that it's going to be FWD, my decision's basically made up.

On a side note, why is Mazda so damn secretive with this car? That spy shot that we've all seen is garbage. There's no specs or pictures to be found anywhere on the net. I'm not saying this isn't the case for every other car... but it sure seems that way.

 

[nautical2086]

It's just a render:

http://img316.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cargoscan3rm.jpg

I dont like it, should be the sedan.

 

[Libra]

I dont like it, should be the sedan.

Looking at the left side of the image, it looks like the sedan's trunk end is just poking into the picture. There may be some hope there just yet.

 

[nautical2086]

that pic also kinda looks lika dodge charger.

 

[goldwing2000]

no matter how good it looks remember all Mazda3's are FORD CRAP.

Yes, but they're not North American Ford crap, which makes all the difference in the world. None of the parts on this car have been touched by the UAW (or CAW), so they have a better than average chance of not being crap.

 

[CHICO2003]

i'm sure someone posed this question already but it begs repeating. since the general consenus is that the ms3 (msp is a way cooler acronym) will be a 5 door... my question is, why? take a look at the wrx. which version flies off the showroom floor and which one sits on the lot for months waiting for someone to show even a modicum of interest? that's right, it's the sedan & wagon respectively. maybe that's not the best indicator in the world but it should mean something. while I dig the styling of the 5 door and feel the sedan is a bit too feminine, with the right treatment I think the sedan would look great. hell... i wasn't a fan of the protege until I saw the msp! getting back to my main point, since the wrx & msp/3 crowd are comprised of similar types... it seems rather obvious that the future ms3 buyer would be more interested in a sedan version. to put it another way... do you think subaru would sell as many wrxs if they only came in wagon form? HFN!!!

 

[ZoomVT]

(werd)

 

[goldwing2000]

Valid question. Ask Mazda. Nobody on here is in a position to have a clue. (dunno)

 

[BC3I]

(mswerd)

 

[RHAGEL]

i'm sure someone posed this question already but it begs repeating. since the general consenus is that the ms3 (msp is a way cooler acronym) will be a 5 door... my question is, why? take a look at the wrx. which version flies off the showroom floor and which one sits on the lot for months waiting for someone to show even a modicum of interest? that's right, it's the sedan & wagon respectively. maybe that's not the best indicator in the world but it should mean something. while I dig the styling of the 5 door and feel the sedan is a bit too feminine, with the right treatment I think the sedan would look great. hell... i wasn't a fan of the protege until I saw the msp! getting back to my main point, since the wrx & msp/3 crowd are comprised of similar types... it seems rather obvious that the future ms3 buyer would be more interested in a sedan version. to put it another way... do you think subaru would sell as many wrxs if they only came in wagon form? HFN!!!

Maybe that is why Mazda is so secretive about the car, because they are still figuring out how to package it; being either a 5 door or 4. I think here in NA, the sedan would be the safer choice, but in Europe and Japan the 5 door may be the way to go. I heard that the reason behind the delay of the MS6 is due to the lack of response on the car. I guess most people just don't care. I personally think that it isn't much to look at and with all the added weight, performance reviews are kind of mixed. I think that Mazda needs to take its time to find out what the majority wants and what makes the most sense before they make the same misteak again. Just look at the MS Miata. There are still dealerships around me that have 3-4 still on the lot and are offering $7k in rebates. I think its a great car but somehow didn't do very well. I hope that there are people from Mazda looking at these sites and putting this feedback into good use.

 

[goldwing2000]

The MS Miata is a joke. Add a turbo and only gain 30hp?? (screwy)

They could have done so much more with that car. At least the MS6 has a healthy boost (114hp!! (2thumbs) )

 

[RHAGEL]

The MS Miata is a joke. Add a turbo and only gain 30hp?? (screwy)

They could have done so much more with that car. At least the MS6 has a healthy boost (114hp!! (2thumbs) )

I think because of the 2.0 liter 06 MX-5, they didn't want to put the money that was necessary into the engine to give it more boost. The development of forged internals and anything else that was necessary may have bumped the price up considerably. And the fact that that engine in NA is dead, it was not worth spending anything more than they had to. I think that overall the car was pretty nice, it was quick and had a pretty damn good suspension all for only $1,500 more than a loaded Miata.

 

[CHICO2003]

$7k of rebates? interesting... wish those dealerships were closeby cuz I'd probably snag one. while it's true that the hp gain is minimal, unlike the msp, it can be safely increased (relatively speaking). not to mention, it's rwd... a convertible... handles at least as good if not better than an msp and is probably just as, if not more rare. why it didn't do well has more to do with the miata target market and less to do with mazda F'ing up on the car. most people who buy miatas aren't buying them for performance purposes... they simply want a cheap drop top with a sporty, but not over the top, nature. car enthusiasts like us naturally want more... but we often represent the minority. not to mention, we have other choices that fit our lifestyle better.

 

[goldwing2000]

not to mention, we have other choices that fit our lifestyle better.

Like my friend always says, "His and his Miatas." (ghey)

 

[RHAGEL]

$7k of rebates? interesting... wish those dealerships were closeby cuz I'd probably snag one. while it's true that the hp gain is minimal, unlike the msp, it can be safely increased (relatively speaking). not to mention, it's rwd... a convertible... handles at least as good if not better than an msp and is probably just as, if not more rare. why it didn't do well has more to do with the miata target market and less to do with mazda F'ing up on the car. most people who buy miatas aren't buying them for performance purposes... they simply want a cheap drop top with a sporty, but not over the top, nature. car enthusiasts like us naturally want more... but we often represent the minority. not to mention, we have other choices that fit our lifestyle better.

Very True. I think the lack of marketing has also hurt the whole MS line all together. Until fairly recently, Mazda neglected to advertise their products. When the 6 first came out they advertised for awhile then it dropped off. About a year later they started to show the ads again on TV and in magazines and it helped sales rise in the 04 models. I know that media advertising isn't cheap, but it goes back to the whole idea of "you got to spend money to make money" That is why the Super Bowl Ads are so damn expensive, because they actually work. People want to feel that they are buying something special and advertising helps to show them how they should feel and think.

 

[CHICO2003]

Superbowl ads work because everyone and their uncle's dog watches it. while expensive, an advertiser knows they'll have about as captive an audience as one could ever have for a tv commercial. (what other show/event can you say you actually look forward to the commercials?) Unless mazda wants to pony up millions to promote a limited production for a mere 30 seconds, I can't say I blame them. other than the superbowl, television advertising is far too passive and often overlooked & forgotten. If we're talking about the mazdaspeed6 and why it's not selling well, look no further than some of its competitors that are. subaru legacy gt... acura tl... nissan maxima... they might be out there but I can't recall seeing a commercial for either one. (which goes back to the whole passive/overlooked/forgotten thing) Companies want to be able to track their advertising $$$. that's why google works so well. tv & radio are next to impossible to track... the companies that still choose this medium are ok with this. they're going more for branding or creating interest. Budweiser floods the airways with commericals. unless they're superbowl spots, most of them are completely forgettable. they don't care... it's the branding... the logo that's getting embossed into your subconcious that gets you to buy their brand over the others they care about. when the mazda6 first came out it had that cool commercial during the playoffs with the car making a 6 in the desert. that created some interest for people that might not otherwise have known about the car. now that the car's in the public eye, those who are in the market for a 30k awd turbocharged car know about the ms6. these are car enthusiasts remember. they don't need some slick advertising campaign to peak their interest. they ARE the slick advertising campaign!!

 

[goldwing2000]

With regard to the Budweiser-style branding, I think that's what Mazda was trying to do when they developed the Zoom-Zoom campaign.

Except that I remember the Zoom-Zoom commercials and the little boy but I have no recollection that it was a Mazda commercial. Was the old guy and the little dog for Mazda, too? Or was that Nissan? No idea... (dunno)



OT: I just saw this smiley for the first time and it cracks me up --> (eekfu)