Mazdaformance Protege Turbo Finally Dyno'd
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deepcover6
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How did this post slip by me I don't understand
That is just excellent work chojin..."On our last run for the day, we laid down 200.7 WHP and 200.3 WTQ at 8.5 psi and maintained an A/F of approx. 12.1:1 from 4500 rpms to redline. We were fairly pleased with these numbers (100 WHP more than the stock WHP)"
I think the engineers at Calloway need to take some tips from you guys....Mazda..who...Mazda...what??
Are those brembo brakes??
Mann I am really debating wether I should get the Quaife LSD for my ride...but if it is grip, grip and more grip as you say...I just might hook it up.
Getting tired of killin my tires even in 3rd.
That is just excellent work chojin..."On our last run for the day, we laid down 200.7 WHP and 200.3 WTQ at 8.5 psi and maintained an A/F of approx. 12.1:1 from 4500 rpms to redline. We were fairly pleased with these numbers (100 WHP more than the stock WHP)"
I think the engineers at Calloway need to take some tips from you guys....Mazda..who...Mazda...what??
Are those brembo brakes??
Mann I am really debating wether I should get the Quaife LSD for my ride...but if it is grip, grip and more grip as you say...I just might hook it up.
Getting tired of killin my tires even in 3rd.Re: How did this post slip by me I don't understand
I feel ya bro! I am working getting the larger axles and LSD from the Mazdaspeed.
deepcover6 said:....<snip>
Mann I am really debating wether I should get the Quaife LSD for my ride...but if it is grip, grip and more grip as you say...I just might hook it up.
I feel ya bro! I am working getting the larger axles and LSD from the Mazdaspeed.
deepcover6 - Thanks for the kind words.
The front brake kit is actually made by StopTech. More info. on this kit can be found here: <a href = "http://www.mazdaformance.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=100&Product_Code=83-547-4300&Category_Code=763">StopTech Front Big Brake Kit 01-02 ES, MP3, & P5</a>.
About the Quaife LSD, you will definitely get much better grip due to equal power distribution to both drive wheels. On a road or auto-x course this equals being able to get on power earlier when coming out of a turn. On the drag strip you will get a lot more grip, but the actual amount wheelspin will ultimately depend on which tire compound you're using. If you use slicks, be careful as you may break your stock axles.
Hope this helps.
Cheers.
-Shawn
The front brake kit is actually made by StopTech. More info. on this kit can be found here: <a href = "http://www.mazdaformance.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=100&Product_Code=83-547-4300&Category_Code=763">StopTech Front Big Brake Kit 01-02 ES, MP3, & P5</a>.
About the Quaife LSD, you will definitely get much better grip due to equal power distribution to both drive wheels. On a road or auto-x course this equals being able to get on power earlier when coming out of a turn. On the drag strip you will get a lot more grip, but the actual amount wheelspin will ultimately depend on which tire compound you're using. If you use slicks, be careful as you may break your stock axles.
Hope this helps.
Cheers.
-Shawn
deepcover6
Member
Re: Re: How did this post slip by me I don't understand
Good luck Linux I tried to get that too from the stealership. They told me about the larger axels and LSD but they won't sell it...they want exclusivity on this for the MSP
If I remember that smarta** hick words correctly 'Say you ain't from these parts are u son?' Oh wait he said that when I walked in...this is what he said. 'You need to buy one(msp) to get one buddy' (with a goofey grin on his face like my car is a piece of S*** and not worthy of the upgrade)(pow)
LinuxRacr said:
Good luck Linux I tried to get that too from the stealership. They told me about the larger axels and LSD but they won't sell it...they want exclusivity on this for the MSP
If I remember that smarta** hick words correctly 'Say you ain't from these parts are u son?' Oh wait he said that when I walked in
...this is what he said. 'You need to buy one(msp) to get one buddy' (with a goofey grin on his face like my car is a piece of S*** and not worthy of the upgrade)(pow) Re: Re: Re: How did this post slip by me I don't understand
That dealer was just bullshiting you cause he wanted to make money off a MSP sales. You can get the axels. LSD and axels! Shawn (Chojin) even confirmed the pricing on the LSD to be about $349 USD! Here is a catalog pic of the axels:
deepcover6 said:
Good luck Linux I tried to get that too from the stealership. They told me about the larger axels and LSD but they won't sell it...they want exclusivity on this for the MSP
If I remember that smarta** hick words correctly 'Say you ain't from these parts are u son?' Oh wait he said that when I walked in
That dealer was just bullshiting you cause he wanted to make money off a MSP sales. You can get the axels. LSD and axels! Shawn (Chojin) even confirmed the pricing on the LSD to be about $349 USD! Here is a catalog pic of the axels:
deepcover6
Member
Super news....bro...
Now, I got to find a dealer that will sell it to me....hmmmmmmm I don't think I am going to touch this myself...need to have this installed. Thanks for the info, so the Lsd is for $349 and how much for the bigger axle?? and will this effect anything else...I know it could not be just this simple, there are always some complications somewhere.
Now, I got to find a dealer that will sell it to me....hmmmmmmm I don't think I am going to touch this myself...need to have this installed. Thanks for the info, so the Lsd is for $349 and how much for the bigger axle?? and will this effect anything else...I know it could not be just this simple, there are always some complications somewhere.
I'm just eh messenjah.Re: Super news....bro...
Not sure on the cost of the axels though. It would be more complicated to get the Quaife. In order to get it to fit in right, you would have to machine the inside of your tranny housing, not to mention drill out the rivots to detach the ring gear from the stock LSD. With the MSP LSD, the LSD comes with a new ring gear already attached to the LSD, so you just swap the Axles and the LSD.
deepcover6 said:
Not sure on the cost of the axels though. It would be more complicated to get the Quaife. In order to get it to fit in right, you would have to machine the inside of your tranny housing, not to mention drill out the rivots to detach the ring gear from the stock LSD. With the MSP LSD, the LSD comes with a new ring gear already attached to the LSD, so you just swap the Axles and the LSD.
Hey Everyone -
Let me just clear up a few things:
- The List price for the Diff./Ring Gear is $565.45.
- The Diff./Ring Gear is not available for sale yet.
- The List price for the Right Axle is $421.60.
- The List price for the Left Axle is $438.85.
- The Axles are not available for sale yet.
- The Intermediate Shaft is the same for all 2.0L Man. Trans. Proteges.
- The Left and Right Hubs are the same for all 4-Wheel Disc Brake equipped Proteges.
- Based on this info. one can assume that these items are interchangeable (ie: MSP diff./ring gear with stock axles or MSP axles).
- We do not know when these items will be available for sale.
- When they are released, we will offer 20% off of the List price for internet orders.
- The Quaife may cost more and take more work to install, but they are much stronger units.
- Which one you decide on will ultimately depend on how hard you plan on driving the car.
Hope this helps everyone.
Cheers.
-Shawn
Let me just clear up a few things:
- The List price for the Diff./Ring Gear is $565.45.
- The Diff./Ring Gear is not available for sale yet.
- The List price for the Right Axle is $421.60.
- The List price for the Left Axle is $438.85.
- The Axles are not available for sale yet.
- The Intermediate Shaft is the same for all 2.0L Man. Trans. Proteges.
- The Left and Right Hubs are the same for all 4-Wheel Disc Brake equipped Proteges.
- Based on this info. one can assume that these items are interchangeable (ie: MSP diff./ring gear with stock axles or MSP axles).
- We do not know when these items will be available for sale.
- When they are released, we will offer 20% off of the List price for internet orders.
- The Quaife may cost more and take more work to install, but they are much stronger units.
- Which one you decide on will ultimately depend on how hard you plan on driving the car.
Hope this helps everyone.
Cheers.
-Shawn
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Do you happen to know if we WILL have to get the axles as well? Also, how difficult is this project? (The MSP LSD, not the quaife). The more I mod the car, the more I notice that I really need an LSD (or at least I think I do) and I wanted to pursue this avenue. I can get the LSD down here for 10% over COST, but I need to know if I need to get the axles as well.
Thanks for your time.
P.S. This is for "Active" street driving (not autocrossing, not illegal drags), do you think after everything the MSP LSD would be a better idea? I do plan on getting boosted in a few years.
Thanks for your time.
P.S. This is for "Active" street driving (not autocrossing, not illegal drags), do you think after everything the MSP LSD would be a better idea? I do plan on getting boosted in a few years.
ArkosP5 -
You do not need the MSP axles to use the MSP LSD. If you plan on boosting your car, then the MSP axles would be a good idea.
The difficulty of the project depends on your mechanical abilities. If you know how to change your own clutch, then this would not be much more difficult as long as you have the factory workshop manual and the right tools. Otherwise, pay someone to do it for you.
The MSP LSD is perfect for someone doing "Active" street driving.
Cheers.
-Shawn
You do not need the MSP axles to use the MSP LSD. If you plan on boosting your car, then the MSP axles would be a good idea.
The difficulty of the project depends on your mechanical abilities. If you know how to change your own clutch, then this would not be much more difficult as long as you have the factory workshop manual and the right tools. Otherwise, pay someone to do it for you.
The MSP LSD is perfect for someone doing "Active" street driving.
Cheers.
-Shawn
deepcover6
Member
You don't need bigger axelsChojin said:
but aren't the MSP axels bigger then the MP3 ones....at least that was what I was told...that way I need to buy the axels as well.deepcover6 -
Since the intermediate shaft and hubs are the same on both cars, you can assume the MP3 axles can be used w/the MSP LSD. The MSP has larger axles as a precaution to prevent broken axles. You may or may not need MSP axles; it will depend on the amount of power you have and the type of driving you do.
Cheers.
-Shawn
Since the intermediate shaft and hubs are the same on both cars, you can assume the MP3 axles can be used w/the MSP LSD. The MSP has larger axles as a precaution to prevent broken axles. You may or may not need MSP axles; it will depend on the amount of power you have and the type of driving you do.
Cheers.
-Shawn
Ok, ... so the connection between the LSD and either set of axles are the same? Does anyone know what other sundry items might be required? gaskets, etc, ... I am thinking about trying to do this in a few months.
As far as mechanical ability, I have quite a bit, none in cars, but I've taught myself quite a bit already on my P5.
As far as mechanical ability, I have quite a bit, none in cars, but I've taught myself quite a bit already on my P5.
chdesign -
We have not gotten any O2 related CELs with our setup. We have both stock cats removed and both O2 sensors are on the down pipe (one above the other) just before the 90 deg. bend. We do have a 2.5" turbo-back exhaust with a high-flow cat sitting where the stock resonator used to be. I honestly do not know how we're not throwing any O2 CELs. Try our way and see what happens.
ArkosP5 -
Based on the info. (part numbers, etc.) we have, we can conclude that this assumption is true.
For Everyone -
I forgot to mention this before:
- You will need the (2) Diff. bearings because the old ones will not come off w/out getting damaged.
- These bearings have a List price of $25.80 each.
- You can re-use the shim from the old differential as well as the (2) oil seals as long as you do not damage them during the un-install process.
- You will need a tube of good high-temp. silicone sealant for putting the tranny back together.
I believe that's all.
Cheers.
-Shawn
We have not gotten any O2 related CELs with our setup. We have both stock cats removed and both O2 sensors are on the down pipe (one above the other) just before the 90 deg. bend. We do have a 2.5" turbo-back exhaust with a high-flow cat sitting where the stock resonator used to be. I honestly do not know how we're not throwing any O2 CELs. Try our way and see what happens.
ArkosP5 -
Based on the info. (part numbers, etc.) we have, we can conclude that this assumption is true.
For Everyone -
I forgot to mention this before:
- You will need the (2) Diff. bearings because the old ones will not come off w/out getting damaged.
- These bearings have a List price of $25.80 each.
- You can re-use the shim from the old differential as well as the (2) oil seals as long as you do not damage them during the un-install process.
- You will need a tube of good high-temp. silicone sealant for putting the tranny back together.
I believe that's all.
Cheers.
-Shawn
