Mazda Reflashed my ECU, Now I Am Not Getting a Black Tailpipe!

[alien1979]

On second thought, here is the first page of the workorder with my personal info blanked out. Wouldnt want any of you to think I was lying or anything....(fight)

 

[M3_Zoom]

On second thought, here is the first page of the workorder with my personal info blanked out. Wouldnt want any of you to think I was lying or anything....(fight)

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SUPER! I'm going to make a call first thing tomorrow and have my dealer clearly define the details of this re-flash. We as owners can also report it as a complaint to NHTSA because a driveability issue is just that, a driveability issue. If some dealers want to recognize it while others do not, obviously there is a break down in communication somewhere. Like most feel, if one dealer knows they should all know. Since your in Texas and the other reference we have is in Vegas, I will call Cedric and see if that's the same re-flash number he has. Now my only question is, is that the so called re-flash for the folks out West my dealer spoke about. We shall see and I will post an update as soon as I have a solid answer. Thank you for the scan!

Also did you happen to notice they put 3/4 door sedan on your service ticket? Sure they go off the VIN# but........

 

[alien1979]

SUPER! I'm going to make a call first thing tomorrow and have my dealer clearly define the details of this re-flash. We as owners can also report it as a complaint to NHTSA because a driveability issue is just that, a driveability issue. If some dealers want to recognize it while others do not, obviously there is a break down in communication somewhere. Like most feel, if one dealer knows they should all know. Since your in Texas and the other reference we have is in Vegas, I will call Cedric and see if that's the same re-flash number he has. Now my only question is, is that the so called re-flash for the folks out West my dealer spoke about. We shall see and I will post an update as soon as I have a solid answer. Thank you for the scan!

Also did you happen to notice they put 3/4 door sedan on your service ticket? Sure they go off the VIN# but........

yeah, i did notice that, but I doubt that the ECU would accept a reflash from a different ECU and even if it did it probably wouldnt run correctly.

 

[camrycev6]

Because it clearly states on my workorder that a reflash was performed. Also consider that at most dealerships the left hand doesnt know what the right one is doing and most of the time the person on the phone just wants to get you to go away. I worked at a dealership years ago in high school and you can take that to the bank.

How else can you explain the lack of soot? Use some common sense, my friend......(scratch)

Well clearly I didn't have the work order until now, did I? That would have helped much earlier in this discussion. In any event, if I used your lack of soot as my only proof of a specious upgrade, despite four dealers (including yours - Jeff Haas - telling me there wasn't one) I wouldn't have been using common sense at all now would I? Put yourself in my shoes.

Doubting something is not the same as calling someone a liar. There are dozens of other explanations that could explain the descrepancy folks have been debating here. My common sense is functioning quite well, so let's all not get so defensive ok?

It is obviously there is more than meets the eye here...so let's continue to do some research and get to the bottom of it.

Thanks for the work order, that gives us some good information we can use.

 

[Jstassen]

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Hey guys, I just took my MS3 in for service on my 2nd CEL. Grrrr... anyway. They reflashed my ECU with a new "update". The tech didn't know what it was for as it was not in his "manual". He thought it was yet unlisted since it was so new. He doubted whether it would add to the car's performance and thought it might be more like "a system patch for Windows XP". I haven't picked up the car yet so I can not attest to what it did to my car. I went to University Mazda in Albuquerque, NM if you were interested. They seem fairly knowledgable and like to chat about the MS3 whenever I bring it in. Just my .02.

 

[bast525]

Well clearly I didn't have the work order until now, did I? That would have helped much earlier in this discussion. In any event, if I used your lack of soot as my only proof of a specious upgrade, despite four dealers (including yours - Jeff Haas - telling me there wasn't one) I wouldn't have been using common sense at all now would I? Put yourself in my shoes.

So, does that mean that, because I was taking these couple guys' words' for it, despite the fact that I've already had two dealerships tell me that there was no flash, that I was not using common sense? hmmm ok.

 

[M3_Zoom]

Hey guys, I just took my MS3 in for service on my 2nd CEL. Grrrr... anyway. They reflashed my ECU with a new "update". The tech didn't know what it was for as it was not in his "manual". He thought it was yet unlisted since it was so new. He doubted whether it would add to the car's performance and thought it might be more like "a system patch for Windows XP". I haven't picked up the car yet so I can not attest to what it did to my car. I went to University Mazda in Albuquerque, NM if you were interested. They seem fairly knowledgable and like to chat about the MS3 whenever I bring it in. Just my .02.

Jstassen, can you let us know what the code for the re-flash is once you pick your car up. I contacted two dealers this morning about it and they both said let's schedule you for an appointment and go from there. I have one this Friday so we shall see. But if you can let us know what your service order says or even scan it like Alien1979 did that would be great! I would like to compare to see if all that have recieved this update are receiving the same one. Lastly, let us know how your car is running after the update. Thanks in advance.

 

[camrycev6]

So, does that mean that, because I was taking these couple guys' words' for it, despite the fact that I've already had two dealerships tell me that there was no flash, that I was not using common sense? hmmm ok.

Did I say that? No...I never accused anyone here of not using common sense. Make sure you ask the question of the right person.... I did not start, nor am I going say anyone lacks common sense. If you can't handle a little doubt without getting your panties in a bunch, maybe the shoe does fit...

I was only pointing out that from my perspective, after asking a lot of questions that consistently gave me a negative answer (to the post topic), my common sense should tell me there was some merit to what I had discovered. (that there was no reflash) To ignore what I found would have been foolish. What is hard to accept about that without taking it like a personal insult? Come on guys; let's try to stay rational about this without getting our feelings hurt or trying to make clandestine insults.

We have new data, so lets see what results it produces.

 

[alien1979]

Its been cold again here in Houston since Saturday, and guess what? I am getting an intermittent check engine light that only occurs in the AM when the car is first started. After three warm restarts, it goes away. This is the first cold weather the car has seen since the reflash. Sound familiar to anyone? (2thumbs)

For the record, I think the very definition of common sense is sticking to your guns when you know something is correct even in the face of adversity. That being said, I can totally understand the disbelief. I think time will prove that Mazda's dealer network isnt as well connected to the mothership as we would all like to think.

The REAL benefit to all this is that we are sticking together to find the truth. Its nice to find like-minded enthusiasts who don't take the dealers word for it and keep digging until an answer is uncovered.(dance)

 

[M3_Zoom]

Its been cold again here in Houston since Saturday, and guess what? I am getting an intermittent check engine light that only occurs in the AM when the car is first started. After three warm restarts, it goes away. This is the first cold weather the car has seen since the reflash. Sound familiar to anyone? (2thumbs)

For the record, I think the very definition of common sense is sticking to your guns when you know something is correct even in the face of adversity. That being said, I can totally understand the disbelief. I think time will prove that Mazda's dealer network isnt as well connected to the mothership as we would all like to think.

The REAL benefit to all this is that we are sticking together to find the truth. Its nice to find like-minded enthusiasts who don't take the dealers word for it and keep digging until an answer is uncovered.(dance)

Alien1979, That's the first step to us getting our beasts all debuged. I went through the same problem with my SRT-4. I purchased it the first year and it literally took over a year to get things strait, but it was us die-hard owners that made it happen. I expect to have problems with a first year car but Mazda needs to certainly support us as well.

Now for your cold issue, hmmmm. I'm on the East Coast and considering we had wonderful snow in April a few days ago (thankfully I garage my car) I have not had issues with any Cels in our extreme cold.

 

[camrycev6]

Its been cold again here in Houston since Saturday, and guess what? I am getting an intermittent check engine light that only occurs in the AM when the car is first started. After three warm restarts, it goes away. This is the first cold weather the car has seen since the reflash. Sound familiar to anyone? (2thumbs)

For the record, I think the very definition of common sense is sticking to your guns when you know something is correct even in the face of adversity. That being said, I can totally understand the disbelief. I think time will prove that Mazda's dealer network isnt as well connected to the mothership as we would all like to think.

The REAL benefit to all this is that we are sticking together to find the truth. Its nice to find like-minded enthusiasts who don't take the dealers word for it and keep digging until an answer is uncovered.(dance)

I completely agree Alien. This is something I have been saying all along. Things obviously don't make sense and it isn't our fault --- it is Mazda's. I, like many others here, just want to know the final and absolute truth. My frustration is not with you or anyone else --- and I apolgoize if it came out that way --- but with Mazda. It is extremely annoying when you care about yor car as much as we do, and yet we can't get a simple straight answer to an important question.

 

[bast525]

Okay for what it's worth... I called another dealership, Casey Mazda in Newport News, and spoke with the head service advisor there, and he said he IS aware of a reflash for the MS3 and had already reflashed two customer cars.

They are a speed dealer.

I will be going there later this week to have them hook my car up to the computer and see what comes up.

 

[M3_Zoom]

Okay for what it's worth... I called another dealership, Casey Mazda in Newport News, and spoke with the head service advisor there, and he said he IS aware of a reflash for the MS3 and had already reflashed two customer cars.

They are a speed dealer.

I will be going there later this week to have them hook my car up to the computer and see what comes up.

bast525, this is exactly what is frustrating. Several of us are in the VA, MD, D.C. area and yet we all get different word. Let us know what happens. I have an appointment Friday, so I will let everyone know what happens with my car as well. I have them looking at the brakes, motor/transmission mounts and checking for an update to the PCM. Also I think I'm going to have a indepth conversation with the Service Manager and let him know about the Mazda communication breakdown etc. I know I'm just one voice, but I wan't to help them help all of us. What would be really nice, is if we could get a Mazda Service or Tech Rep to come onboard this Website and address our service issues. When I had my SRT-4 there official forum had one and once he came on board, we made leaps and bounds of progress.

***In my research it appears that all but one person that had the PCM Re-flash, the dealer used code/Re-flash F0010XFX. If anyone has received a re-flash for driveability/boost spike problem and it's a different code on your paperwork, let us know. Also, if you have received the p2006 CEL your not getting a re-flash so don't confuse the two. The code your receiving on your paperwork is to clear the CEL only.

 

[voiceKoil]

I didnt go through everything to see if this has been covered yet, my dealer said no reflash, they said I need a new swirl valve and thats what is being replaced. Im getting mine done tomorrow, Ill see if it works! (dance) and just to set the record striaght I dont believe a word my dealer has been telling me!!!! Im having another convo with the service manager LADY before they go and replace stuff thats perfectly fine, and Im going to stand behind them and watch every move they make this time!!! Because I dont think they did anything I asked them to do last time!!! THEY DIDNT EVEN NOTICE MY CEL WAS ON WHEN THEY DID A WHOLE CHECK OVER OF THE CAR!!!

 

[camrycev6]

I can hardly wait to see some of the results. If we can nail down this version number, I will be certainly giving some serious feedback (to include a couple of letters to Mazda corporate) to the dealers on this. I want to make sure I have all of my facts straight (and plenty of them) before I go charging in. My frustration on this just keeps getting worse. All of the dealers I spoke to are certified Speed dealers and they still deny there is any reflash. (All of them are in MD, but quite a distant apart.)

M3_Zoom, I anxiously await your details from your trip on Friday.

 

[mcb]

I just got my car back from the dealer for the purge valve and guess what ,they did a reflash too.

My old load was SW-L34CEE000.HEX
My NEW load is SW-L34CEG000.HEX

i hope that it will help you all. Remember it's a canadian version, not sure its the same load everywhere but worth checking. My service manager told me that he got it this week so check again with your dealer.

 

[alien1979]

I just got my car back from the dealer for the purge valve and guess what ,they did a reflash too.

My old load was SW-L34CEE000.HEX
My NEW load is SW-L34CEG000.HEX

i hope that it will help you all. Remember it's a canadian version, not sure its the same load everywhere but worth checking. My service manager told me that he got it this week so check again with your dealer.

Well, there you go folks. I think this has been put to bed.

 

[alien1979]

bast525, this is exactly what is frustrating. Several of us are in the VA, MD, D.C. area and yet we all get different word. Let us know what happens. I have an appointment Friday, so I will let everyone know what happens with my car as well. I have them looking at the brakes, motor/transmission mounts and checking for an update to the PCM. Also I think I'm going to have a indepth conversation with the Service Manager and let him know about the Mazda communication breakdown etc. I know I'm just one voice, but I wan't to help them help all of us. What would be really nice, is if we could get a Mazda Service or Tech Rep to come onboard this Website and address our service issues. When I had my SRT-4 there official forum had one and once he came on board, we made leaps and bounds of progress.

***In my research it appears that all but one person that had the PCM Re-flash, the dealer used code/Re-flash F0010XFX. If anyone has received a re-flash for driveability/boost spike problem and it's a different code on your paperwork, let us know. Also, if you have received the p2006 CEL your not getting a re-flash so don't confuse the two. The code your receiving on your paperwork is to clear the CEL only.

That code you are mentioning isnt a version number. I believe it is an internal Mazda code for billing purposes. See the invoice I attached earlier and you will see similar numbers for each problem area.

 

[mcb]

Its directly form the mazda computer dump so it is a program version

 

[camrycev6]

Well, there you go folks. I think this has been put to bed.

Unfortunately, not quite yet. We need to make sure this is not only for Canadian versions of the vehicle. (Or at the very least, find out the US equivalent.) It is possible that Mazda has released a N. American version, but again, we just need to be sure.