Mazda DOES CARE
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BremertonMSP
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Again, Kudos Boostisgood! Thanks for your hard work and dedication to this issue. I for one, appreciate it!(thumb)
Simply because its in my nature to extiquish a situation,
Vega is simply although not very tactfully warning that similar things have been promised in the passed and that a promise is basicly useless.
Results need to be the only judge here, not "working ons", "looking into", "finding a cure", "we'll be in touch". These are more often then not stalling tactics to get people the shut the hell up.
No one is trying to undermine or bad mouth Craigs work on this. I would suspect Vega simply wants Craig to be as focused as he was before to getting this taking care of and not accepting ANYONES excuses or stall tactics.
Vega is simply although not very tactfully warning that similar things have been promised in the passed and that a promise is basicly useless.
Results need to be the only judge here, not "working ons", "looking into", "finding a cure", "we'll be in touch". These are more often then not stalling tactics to get people the shut the hell up.
No one is trying to undermine or bad mouth Craigs work on this. I would suspect Vega simply wants Craig to be as focused as he was before to getting this taking care of and not accepting ANYONES excuses or stall tactics.
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boostisgood
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I truly have nothing else to say here, except when I get more info I will post it. Simply because I took this crusade on personally, and want to see it to the end. FOR ALL OF OUR SAKES. AND IM NOT TRYING TO TOOT MY OWN HORN.
boostisgood
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LoL, that actually made me smile. I still want lunch on Steph (godown)
First of all, this isn't a gang bang, so you guys can get off my ass.
I did not first attack boostisgood, criticize his actions or his accomplishments, I was strictly inturpreting the letter he posted in this thread. I have read the other threads and they all offer slightly different information, kind of like when you go to the dealership for service work.
There is no flame here, since you first added the "head up your ass" comment and the (I read) sarcastic "have a nice day". I come to this board as others do to offer and receive OPINIONS and information. We should be able to offer our opinions without charater assasinations or belittling. Any comments I made towrads you and your pedistal were only made in response to those about my rectal/cranial inversion.
If you read the above letter in its context only, it does exactly sound like you are talking to the local service manager. His terms are vague at best and open to different inturpretation. This thread was started as a new positive development to boostisgood's efforts, but when I read it, it seems like a step back from what the engineer had said. More micromanagement. If this guy does help, which if his boss' reputation is in fact riding on it, then I will be the first to "PRAISE" boostisgood.
However - I have been hearing the same "working" and "aware" and "30 days or so" for over two months. My car has been in for this several times. Question - of the 70 or so people that signed the petition (I would have, but I was at the hospital for the week, my son is finally here) how many have had their cars serviced for this problem? I imagine that it is only about 5%. Mazda corporate does not seem like the kind of company that - in his words, take the opinions of internet "experts". I imagine that they look at numbers, and the numbers that matter the most are time and money lost to service work. Service and parts are where dealers and manufacturers make money, not on the cars.
I applaud your efforts, I never said that I didn't, but as far as it goes, they are still just efforts until I get my ECU flash or whatever, then they will become great accomplishments.
So if you feel that I attacked you by only offering my opinion, then I apologize. However, afeter waiting for my car to be delivered for months and months, you have to understand my reservations about what Mazda has to say about their engineering efforts.
And I feel that this should be warranted and allowed here.
Britt
I did not first attack boostisgood, criticize his actions or his accomplishments, I was strictly inturpreting the letter he posted in this thread. I have read the other threads and they all offer slightly different information, kind of like when you go to the dealership for service work.
There is no flame here, since you first added the "head up your ass" comment and the (I read) sarcastic "have a nice day". I come to this board as others do to offer and receive OPINIONS and information. We should be able to offer our opinions without charater assasinations or belittling. Any comments I made towrads you and your pedistal were only made in response to those about my rectal/cranial inversion.
If you read the above letter in its context only, it does exactly sound like you are talking to the local service manager. His terms are vague at best and open to different inturpretation. This thread was started as a new positive development to boostisgood's efforts, but when I read it, it seems like a step back from what the engineer had said. More micromanagement. If this guy does help, which if his boss' reputation is in fact riding on it, then I will be the first to "PRAISE" boostisgood.
However - I have been hearing the same "working" and "aware" and "30 days or so" for over two months. My car has been in for this several times. Question - of the 70 or so people that signed the petition (I would have, but I was at the hospital for the week, my son is finally here) how many have had their cars serviced for this problem? I imagine that it is only about 5%. Mazda corporate does not seem like the kind of company that - in his words, take the opinions of internet "experts". I imagine that they look at numbers, and the numbers that matter the most are time and money lost to service work. Service and parts are where dealers and manufacturers make money, not on the cars.
I applaud your efforts, I never said that I didn't, but as far as it goes, they are still just efforts until I get my ECU flash or whatever, then they will become great accomplishments.
So if you feel that I attacked you by only offering my opinion, then I apologize. However, afeter waiting for my car to be delivered for months and months, you have to understand my reservations about what Mazda has to say about their engineering efforts.
And I feel that this should be warranted and allowed here.
Britt
These are my sentiments in a friendlier package. I didn't mean to add fuel to the fire Craig, your efforts have not gone without my gratitude and I stated that in my previous post.
I just remain synical in dealing with any large company particularly one that is desperately looking for ways to control costs, maintain margins, and boost sales.
I may just simply be looking at this from the perspective of Mazda too much. Yes they want happy customers but the reality is that this model isn't going to be around that long and we already have made the purchase. They could dump the amount of money they would put towards fixing the hesitation (and I know, many of you think it's not costly) or put the funds towards...I don't know, say help launching/marketing the 3 which will ultimately net them sales. We are nitch market made up of people who were willing to spend 20k on a protege. We aren't average auto consumers and often the "average" market is where the $ is. Yes, this situation will affect repeat buying but they must be looking for larger market share considering there place in the US market.
Bottom line is still that if a fix results in your efforts that's great and your efforts, regardless of outcome, are greatly appreciated!
p.s. I haven't found the Mazda customer service guy's post but a time frame is a good sign
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Micaspeed!
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Boostisgood!
Many thanks for your efforts. Seems like you got this going. People by nature like to criticize. I would let your posts speak for themselves. So far very positive. I am following this closely, and believe Mazda will come through. A few weeks ago my son and I were in Atlanta to meet some of the Speed challenge Mazda teams. While there, we met Kelvin from Mazda in CA along with two gentelmen fron Mazda Japan. Great guys. They really like the MSP project.
Don't let anyone get you down on this, there are more of us who truly appreciate your efforts!
Godspeed!
Dave
Many thanks for your efforts. Seems like you got this going. People by nature like to criticize. I would let your posts speak for themselves. So far very positive. I am following this closely, and believe Mazda will come through. A few weeks ago my son and I were in Atlanta to meet some of the Speed challenge Mazda teams. While there, we met Kelvin from Mazda in CA along with two gentelmen fron Mazda Japan. Great guys. They really like the MSP project.
Don't let anyone get you down on this, there are more of us who truly appreciate your efforts!
Godspeed!
Dave
I think mica made an interesting point.
The deadication of those in mazda involved with the project maybe the what pulls through in the end. Don't forget the rotary engine was scrapped and it was the Mazda Enginners the refused to see it die and pulled it through.
GEtting a fix is possible in all way but it is going to take some very determined people on each side. we have boost, we need to find his counter part on there side.
The deadication of those in mazda involved with the project maybe the what pulls through in the end. Don't forget the rotary engine was scrapped and it was the Mazda Enginners the refused to see it die and pulled it through.
GEtting a fix is possible in all way but it is going to take some very determined people on each side. we have boost, we need to find his counter part on there side.
^^^
I guess after feeling the issue today, you can understand why we have said concerns. I just don't understand how some people don't feel it. Jesse does, and I did before the INJEN, but Yash thinks he doesn't have it at all, and Slug say he very rarely notices it. I'll write an email to my service department tomorrow to address the problem with them. The more records they have the more hard pressed they will be to fix it, I think!
I guess after feeling the issue today, you can understand why we have said concerns. I just don't understand how some people don't feel it. Jesse does, and I did before the INJEN, but Yash thinks he doesn't have it at all, and Slug say he very rarely notices it. I'll write an email to my service department tomorrow to address the problem with them. The more records they have the more hard pressed they will be to fix it, I think!
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My exact words with Orangeappeal were "WHAT THE ****!!!!"
I completely understand why its an issue for you guys as I did before but having felt it is another animal. Yours seemed fine with just the injen so it seems it can be easily cured with better air draw.
I completely understand why its an issue for you guys as I did before but having felt it is another animal. Yours seemed fine with just the injen so it seems it can be easily cured with better air draw.
