Mac or PC

If you need a computer NOW, buy now. It'll last you another 3-4 years easy (my G4 is almost 6 years old now, saved by upgrades of course). If you wait, you'll be waiting forever.....

If you can wait until next year entirely, do it. My next Mac will be a Mactel.

it's expected that Apple will ship Mactel Powerbooks and Mini's around the Jan/Feb. time frame....of course, it's all rumours until the day of release.

Personally, I never buy the "latest and greatest" of anything. One, I usually can't afford it and secondly, it's pointless...I *still* haven't bought an iPod/MP3 player, and I still rock vinyl on my hi-fi....good times.
 
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FYI, Microsoft DOES NOT have a majority stock holding in Apple. They did provide Apple with a small "loan" during the monopoly court case time period (supporting competition?) but other than that, Apple is doing just fine since Steve returned.

slayer4u said:
I think that was the worst Idea apple had and I think the reasoning came from microsoft which holds the controling intrest in Apple.....
 
Dexter said:
LOL, 'CISC is gay', haha

You're such a RISCist....typical CPU Nazi :P

Also, check out used/refurbished Macs. The cost of entry is low, you'll get your feet and taste whetted, and save some cash. I'd go that route if you're hesitant about the Mactels coming out next year (and you'll have a nice 2nd Mac when you do get something brand new).
 
SciFiMan said:
FYI, Microsoft DOES NOT have a majority stock holding in Apple. They did provide Apple with a small "loan" during the monopoly court case time period (supporting competition?) but other than that, Apple is doing just fine since Steve returned.

Good catch; I was about to say that that Apple-Micro$loth deal was years ago (before Apple even launched OS X). It was short term.
 
I say a PC. You'll get more for the money. Unless she's the kind of person that likes overpriced trendy-lookin stuff.

As for which is better, that'll depend on who you ask, but both PC's and Macs can be made to kick ass performance wise, it's just cheaper to do it on a PC.
 
Rickman said:
I say a PC. You'll get more for the money. Unless she's the kind of person that likes overpriced trendy-lookin stuff.

As for which is better, that'll depend on who you ask, but both PC's and Macs can be made to kick ass performance wise, it's just cheaper to do it on a PC.

^ Good, point, and Im not disagreeing entirely, but you need to look at total cost of ownership (TOC - http://www.thebusinessmac.com/features/tco_hardware.shtml). Many consumers just look at the initial prices of something (whether thats a computer or anything else), but dont look at the other associated/maintenance costs for the long term.

Look at reliability histories [of Apple, Dell, HP, et al], their support programs, cost of software, etc. if thats important to you. Over the life a computer, Macs have traditionally outlived their PC counterparts because requirements for software, games, etc. dont exponentially (at least, not as fast) increase year over year, while still maintaining their use how many usable 7-10 year old PCs are out there that can claim usability w/ modern software?
 
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My home PC is an old Dell with a 433 celeron w/ 128mb of ram, and a 6 gig hard drive, it works just fine. It's pushing 8 years old. I used to run everything from Photoshop, illustrator, 3D-Studio max, and many many games on it with no problems.... I think the cooling fan is going bad though, that bastard is getting LOUD! I installed a CD burner it it about 6 years ago, that works just fine too. I think it still has windows '98 on it. It's mostly an internet surfer now. I don't play PC games anymore, it's consoles for me all the way.
 
a celeron 433...running 3d studio max. 128megs of ram. did it actually ever render anything? s***...celerons suck...
 
Dexter said:
a celeron 433...running 3d studio max. 128megs of ram. did it actually ever render anything? s***...celerons suck...


lol.. for reals... my parents had a celeron 433mhz too.... i couldn't even run any games on it! it sucked so bad. at the time, i had a PII 400mhz and that was so much faster than the celeron.

now i have a P4 3.0ghz 1GB ram box ... it's fast enough.
 
Dimitrios said:
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you need to get informed as well.

IBM wasn't able to deliver a 3 GHz G5 (Motorola --> Freescale...Motorola is out of the chip making business, is cranking out embedded "Gx" processors - mostly G3 and G4 variants, and not any of the 970x processors which are the G5...oh, the "G series" is at the consumer level....you know, because saying "My Mac has an MPC7447 CPU.." instead of "My Mac has a G4", doesnt' quite roll off the tongue the same way.


I know all that s*** But I tend to dumb things down a bit for people who don't. I'm glad there is someone here that knows as much about Apple as I do.
I used to get paid to fix macs at my highschool. I've been using them since 1994 when my parents bought a performa 630C. one of he old 68K pieces of s***.I accually got to meet Steve Wozniak. Let me tell you Steve is right up there with Einstein on the intellegence level. It was an honor to meet him.

I hate Intel with a passion especially since they hired some prick with half my expirience in stead of me. he was 23 with no degrees just a few years on me.

I've got dual semperons in my PC right now and I'm quite satisfied. I'm running dual boot ,windows XP,and gentoo linux with enligtenment 16. I'm going to make the 64 switch here pretty quick.

Intel makes good products but I feel AMD is still better.
 
SciFiMan said:
FYI, Microsoft DOES NOT have a majority stock holding in Apple. They did provide Apple with a small "loan" during the monopoly court case time period (supporting competition?) but other than that, Apple is doing just fine since Steve returned.


Do you people honestly think that Apple is better off with steve jobs? bulls***.


BTW Microsoft did not loan any money and if they did then it has never been paid back. Microsoft bought the controling intrest in Apple a long time ago and they still have it. This was the smartest thing microsuck ever did! do you honestly think apple would be this successful if Microsoft wasn't pulling some strings? I hate microsoft but they still own most of the computer market.
 
Dimitrios said:
Good catch; I was about to say that that Apple-Micro$loth deal was years ago (before Apple even launched OS X). It was short term.

Yes it was years ago and it still exists today.
 
^ It wasn't a "loan"; it was an investment. Micro$loth was expecting to get that investment back by way of having access to Apple's resources (developing Mac Office for OS 9 and X, additional applications, etc). Whether that ROI on Micro$haft end was justified, that's a different story.

Also, sorry to hear that your hate for Chipzilla is based on personal event, but when Apple's been shopping around for vendors, AMD comes up short. Remember, Chipzilla is who they are because of their fabrication capacity, roadmaps, etc, inclusive of the DRM and chipsets going forward.

And as I said before, OS X has been ready for Intel because that's where OS X was on originally. Remember, Apple bought NeXT in '97. The NeXT OS eventually evolved in what is OS X today....NeXT OS ran on x86/Intel, so it's no surprise that Apple is going to Intel....OS X on PPC is really almost "non native". From what I've read, OS 10.4.3 absolutely flies on Intel hardware.....
 
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slayer4u said:
Do you people honestly think that Apple is better off with steve jobs? bulls***.

Yes, let's bring back Gil Amelio...or John Sculley for that matter. God knows they had vision..

I'm not saying Jobs is the bestest, but on a relative scale, you wouldn't be "loving" Apple had it not been him.
 
Dimitrios said:
Yes, let's bring back Gil Amelio...or John Sculley for that matter. God knows they had vision..

I'm not saying Jobs is the bestest, but on a relative scale, you wouldn't be "loving" Apple had it not been him.


Don't get me wrong Jobs is an excelent business man but Apples design team is the reason they are where they are. Hell without Wozniac Apple computers would not even exist. Too bad he'd rather teach.
 
Yes, he's a business man, but with a passion for the computing products they put out. Jobs put the design team together. It's more than just business - you have to have vision, however "flawed".

That's something that someone like Micheal Dell can't claim.

It's "Wozniak", BTW...
 
Dimitrios said:
Yes, he's a business man, but with a passion for the computing products they put out. Jobs put the design team together. It's more than just business - you have to have vision, however "flawed".

That's something that someone like Micheal Dell can't claim.

It's "Wozniak", BTW...

I agree. Jobs is a brilliant man and not just a business man. Regardless how creative the design team is, the final pass still have to go through Jobs. If he doesn't have the creative vision like the design team, who knows what the powerbook would look like. Also, I read it at one of the article online regard how Apple are so successful, and from what I remember it's because Jobs ACTUALLY works with the whole design team as he was part of the design team.
 
I don't have time to read the entire thread

Here's my take on both

Both are good. Both have problems, both require that the user has a f'n clue how to use them which is 90% of the problem with people bitching about either crashing. But both require different ways of thinking as they have different approaches as to how an OS should operate.

Many know I work at a university in the IT dept. We support a variety of OS's and MAC/PC being two of them.

Anyone that even considers MAC to be so much more stable then PC's is living in LA LA land and needs to pull their heads out of their asses. They can crash, they do crash, they do have issues like PC's, they do have Virus's and they can be just as frustrating to use( acually more at times). Mac's do have a leg up on one area and that is quality control. But if something dies in them...throw them out, it's gone.

Most PC's are clones. MAC's are designed and built from the bottom up both hardware and software by APPLE to some degree. Any company that does this will have better quality control. Each G5 Imac etc will have an OS designed around it to insure certain drivers issues or other issues aren't well.....an issue. Problem is, this is talking in a "ideal world" and MAC's still do have "issues". I see it all the time.

Now Windows/PC have a leg up on MAC's too. Windows has been from day one to be designed with as much compatibility with as much hardware as possible.

This is where MAC is about to get b**** slapped. First, they are moving to INTEL PC's because it has been known for years now that Intel based chips are just as good and sometimes better then RISC based chips for most situations. MAC has been riding on an old way of thinking from the 80's that they were better for graphic applications. While this was indeed true 20 years ago, times have changed. What MAC has had though are programs like photoshop and final cut that are quite good at what they do.

MAC is also about to move into Clones as well. Now, Windows has...well....I don't know... a 20+ year head start on OSX with hardware? This is where things will get very difficult for APPLE. All of a sudden, quality control is gone. Honestly, i think you are about to see a major change in Apple and MAC, and it's not going to be for the good, at least not for the apple heads of the world.

Of course it'll always be more safer to use as long as it's only selling 4 million computers a year vs 150 million Windows based machines. Who would you write a virus for?

Windows XP is one of the most stable OS's for the desktop I have ever used and I've been at this now for +25 ears. Windows VISTA is about to come out, and I what I have seen of it so far it looks very promising. Out of all of the OS's we have had on our network over the years, Windows XP gives us the least trouble. Again, it requires that the user has a f'n clue You go to a lot of porn sites, expect spyware. You open jokes daily via email without using your brain...expect a virus. All it takes is a little common sense, and you can have a reliable PC

My XP machine has been running now since I built it a little over a year ago, no crashes, no freezes, no need to reformat, no virus's etc. The one before that was the same way. I have a Windows server in my house that been going for years trouble free. Buy quality components, use common sense, that is all it takes.

the problem is us. It is much easier for us to b**** and complain about windows this, MAC that then it is to accept the fact that WE **** things up. That WE dont' know what WE are doing. Lets blame the machine, because god forbid WE did anything wrong to cause either os to crash.
 
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