lightning and GT get passed by MSP

[jersey_emt]

I pulled 1g on street tires. Read my thread "Did some testing today" in the racing section.

p.s. I still wouldn't have a chance against a GT.

So did I. But that is INSTANTANEOUS G'S.

Skidpad numbers are SUSTAINED G'S.

 

[Mallard]

So did I. But that is INSTANTANEOUS G'S.

Skidpad numbers are SUSTAINED G'S.

I pulled 1.04 g's in both directions on my parking lot skidpad. When I hit 1.05g's on an on ramp the car began to push and lose grip. I held over 1g for nearly 2 seconds, the only limiting factor was the exit ramp was ending.

I'm confident the car will hold over 1g and in coming weeks I'll be doing more testing to show that.

 

[ThrillRide]

yes i meant the vette, and to ME the msp feels more confident in the corners, the vette tend to lose some feel of the ground once u get it hauling into a corner (not to mention its ass happy), however i do drive the vette with all assists off, i dont like the traction control or active stability control. i do see your point i was just stating my personal preferences.

alright thats cool if YOU feel like that. but i am stating facts. the vette holds grip to the road better than an MSP. so maybe you drive the msp better than you can drive the vette? i dunno. but what skidpad tests do is measure the exact "lose some feel of the ground" that you speak of. facts are facts the vettes doesn't lose feel for the ground as easily as an MSP. facts are facts

 

[ThrillRide]

I pulled 1.04 g's in both directions on my parking lot skidpad. When I hit 1.05g's on an on ramp the car began to push and lose grip. I held over 1g for nearly 2 seconds, the only limiting factor was the exit ramp was ending.

I'm confident the car will hold over 1g and in coming weeks I'll be doing more testing to show that.

we can argue skid pad all day. but skid pad is not the end all of handling either. but the other thing here is like i mentiond earlier....the car itself.
ok a 911 carrera will do .95g and a viper will do 1.02. yet the 911 will out handle a viper due to balance. the vette and gt both have the wide body and low to the track design with big tires. the msp has a higer center of gravity and has much more body roll than either the vette or gt. all while having huge power and tq with RWD. i just don't get how you all can even consider the msp in conversation with cars like these. 1.0g ability or not.

 

[ThrillRide]

oh and just fyi. the svt lightning pulls .85g (only .04 less than the msp) on the pad and slaloms about 5mph slower than the msp. upgrade it's suspention and i guess it could be in the argument too. and stock for that matter depending on the race track it could be right there with the msp.

 

[chaosProtege]

i went to an auto-x several months ago and there was an 05 vette and a newer viper there. they got pwned by more than a couple cars, i was 2 seconds behind the vette(on bad dunlops). here's the site http://www.auto-x.com/results2005/gso_col_event_3_may_05_fin_.htm they maybe good cars at higher speeds, but not that great when hp doesn't make a huge difference, like a really tight course.

 

[ThrillRide]

i went to an auto-x several months ago and there was an 05 vette and a newer viper there. they got pwned by more than a couple cars, i was 2 seconds behind the vette(on bad dunlops). here's the site http://www.auto-x.com/results2005/gso_col_event_3_may_05_fin_.htm they maybe good cars at higher speeds, but not that great when hp doesn't make a huge difference, like a really tight course.

some one please make a good arguement at least. sheesh. now you are talking about driver skill again and multiple diferent cars with mods we know nothing about. plus you are talking autox. the smallest lightest car you can through around wins. i'd drive a suped up mini in an autocross way before i would drive a vette, gt, lambo or any of those bigs

 

[chaosProtege]

i totally agree, i was making a point that in some situations supercars are not the "superest". MSP> supercar in autox

 

[ThrillRide]

i totally agree, i was making a point that in some situations supercars are not the "superest". MSP> supercar in autox

thats cool bro. don't mean to dog on you. i just don't understand how someone could possibly think that the msp...modded or not...would be able to hang with such cars. i would never take a murcielago to an autox. that would just be embarrasing.

 

[EvilMSP]

So did I. But that is INSTANTANEOUS G'S.

Skidpad numbers are SUSTAINED G'S.

Yeah peak is easy to get. i hit 1.01 G on stock setup but that was barreling into a perfect turn for it. But when I posted redults I got bached for faking numbers cause some people don't know the difference between instantaneous and sustained.

 

[Mallard]

I was simply letting Metal MP5 know that is is possible for an MSP to pull 1 g since he was talking about his friends car that he thought handled well. If you read my entire post you'd even see that I stated an MSP still would not hang with a GT on course.

 

[Mallard]

i went to an auto-x several months ago and there was an 05 vette and a newer viper there. they got pwned by more than a couple cars, i was 2 seconds behind the vette(on bad dunlops). here's the site http://www.auto-x.com/results2005/gso_col_event_3_may_05_fin_.htm they maybe good cars at higher speeds, but not that great when hp doesn't make a huge difference, like a really tight course.

Local/regional autocrosses rarely have times that can be compared nationally. Nationally the C5 Z06 ruled Super Stock and still does (minus one or two Elises). Vettes can be very fast autocross cars.

 

[yashooa]

All arguing aside that was funny as s***. That little orange bastard just kept going, and going, and going. You can tell the F150 driver is trying like heck to catch up but the GT driver is just not trying; it almost seems like they are afraid of the car while the MSP driver is in "the zone."
And our stock tires are soft but not that sticky you can get way more stick out of better tires plus the suspension can definitely be upgraded.
This video is a keeper it will probally be the only time you see an MSP pass a GT lol

 

[jersey_emt]

I pulled 1.04 g's in both directions on my parking lot skidpad. When I hit 1.05g's on an on ramp the car began to push and lose grip. I held over 1g for nearly 2 seconds, the only limiting factor was the exit ramp was ending.

I'm confident the car will hold over 1g and in coming weeks I'll be doing more testing to show that.

I looked at your lateral acceleration graph, and you did not pull > 1.0 G for more than 2 seconds (and even if you did, 2 seconds is not considered sustained).

I can't tell exactly because the graph doesn't have enough subdivisions on the y axis, but it looks to me like you had a sustained lateral acceleration of about 0.94-0.95.

Which is still very impressive for a FWD 'econobox'.

 

[ND4MSP]

I don't know bout you guys... but that MSP was hauling ass after he passed the Lightning and for the rest of the time you can see the little orange blur.

thankyou. the GT gave him the ok to go, but then decided to give chase. Because it really darted after the spicy on the next straight it got. Good driver or bad, you can't tell me the gt wasn't trying from there on out until he let the bolt pass later on. Props to the speed driver anyway then

 

[Mallard]

I looked at your lateral acceleration graph, and you did not pull > 1.0 G for more than 2 seconds (and even if you did, 2 seconds is not considered sustained).

I can't tell exactly because the graph doesn't have enough subdivisions on the y axis, but it looks to me like you had a sustained lateral acceleration of about 0.94-0.95.

Which is still very impressive for a FWD 'econobox'.

I didn't say more, I said nearly 2 seconds. I passed 1g at 703.48 seconds and fell back below 1g after 705.08 seconds. (those are numbers pulled straight from the data trace.

What would you call a sustained period? How long do you actually think magazines and manufacturers hold a constant lateral acceleration when testing a car? How long at max lateral accel do you think you can hold before your tires overheat and lose grip? When we do it at work we hold a constant radius and constantly accelerate until the car understeers and cannot hold that radius anymore. You'll let off again and feather the throttle until you're at that point again, etc. What I'm saying is max lateral accel is a point where your car begins to lose grip. During a measurement you'll pass back and fourth through that point many times. No one was out there holding 0.89 g for excessively long periods of time.

My testing conditions were not ideal as I had no where big enough to hold a constant raduis and continually travel around in circles to pass back and fourth through that point. I only had 180-270 degrees to play around on. So I used the same methods I use at work to find my max accel point and called it a day. My car would not be allowed in any of the test facilites I go to for work, so I have to settle for what I had available. I plan on doing more testing though so stay tuned for more results. If you have any other questions feel free to reply to the thread in the racing section.

 

[thejoker0409]

wow 4 pages long and its just repeating over and over
maybe in a autox the msp would win maybe but anywhere else I think no

 

[invert]

But it looks like the Lightning is pulling hard and isn't that a ~400hp truck, vs a 170hp msp ? .....

 

[ND4MSP]

from the sound of the speed, I don't think it was stock.

 

[daedalus]

thankyou. the GT gave him the ok to go, but then decided to give chase. Because it really darted after the spicy on the next straight it got. Good driver or bad, you can't tell me the gt wasn't trying from there on out until he let the bolt pass later on. Props to the speed driver anyway then

ditto... and the fuggin supercharger sounded annoying as hell... Props to the MSP... I think it was holding its own out there.