lightning and GT get passed by MSP

[Mallard]

Haha, yes, engineers do typically make the best drivers (jerkit)

I take offence to that.

 

[JBreed]

hahaha...apples to oranges amigo, apples to oranges!

 

[fkmp5]

i'm an idiot. i can't even spot a msp in that video. the in-car video is of a car with a dash and radio that i do not recognize.

 

[Mallard]

i'm an idiot. i can't even spot a msp in that video. the in-car video is of a car with a dash and radio that i do not recognize.

A spicy MSP gets flagged by towards the beginning of the vid.

 

[moxnix]

The MSP passes at 1:12 into the video. You see a bright orange car.
The in-car video is from a Ford Lightning SVT F150 truck.

 

[redwagon02]

maybe, just maybe that's the first msp to break the 500 whp mark w/ a MAM thumper kit.

 

[nvmsp]

I don't know bout you guys... but that MSP was hauling ass after he passed the Lightning and for the rest of the time you can see the little orange blur.

 

[pluto316]

Who here finds this thread depressing?

(me)

 

[MP5Raycer]

see my take on this vid .. it was like watching the "special" olympics the pros moved aside to let the lets just say "unfortunate" have some fun .. kinda like how you are always super nice to the challenged people working at walmart or McDonalds .. lol .. nothing agains msp's or Mazda but cmon .. i think it could also have been that the msp driver was pissing them off when doing there test and slowing down to get him out of there way lol

 

[anarchistchiken]

see my take on this vid .. it was like watching the "special" olympics the pros moved aside to let the lets just say "unfortunate" have some fun .. kinda like how you are always super nice to the challenged people working at walmart or McDonalds .. lol .. nothing agains msp's or Mazda but cmon .. i think it could also have been that the msp driver was pissing them off when doing there test and slowing down to get him out of there way lol

Actually it's already been fairly well established that the GT had a horrible driver, hence the F-150!!!!! keeping up with him. The MazdaSpeed had a good driver, and he was sticking to them both, so he eventually passed. Even with 300 whp, he's beaten the f-150 on power/weight ratio, and his handling is infinitly better. The MSP, F-150, and a Mustang all passed the GT just in the span of the short movie clip, so I think it's very fair to say that the guy driving did not have any type of experience/skill, and definatly wasn't going slow just to let the other kids play. That's just not how racing works, ever.

Mallard, I was speaking in broad terms. No intention to offend you.

 

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

off topic: (sorta) that guy driving that lightning has some balls to be throwing a truck into the corners that hard, i've driven a lightning and even though they handle well for a truck it still handles like well a truck.

 

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

sorry that is a bit overkill and smart assed on my part but really dude....the MSP will never be better suited for a tight track than a GT, ferrari, porche, viper, vette, etc...
take the same driver, put him in an MSP and then put him in a GT. it won't be close.

i have to disagree with part of that, having driven both cars and having both cars sitting in my garage i would have to take the msp over the vette if for any reason because its lighter and more confident feeling through the corners.

 

[EvilMSP]

The GT was just cruising around obviously. The lightning driver was not very clean but he was definetly trying. Good job to the MSP driver to keep the distance up. On the lightning though not the GT rofl, he wasnt even trying to drive.

 

[ThrillRide]

i have to disagree with part of that, having driven both cars and having both cars sitting in my garage i would have to take the msp over the vette if for any reason because its lighter and more confident feeling through the corners.

both cars? i assume you mean the MSP and the vette....since i know you have a vette
you are intitled to your opinion. i have driven both. the MSP does not in any form or fasion come close to that of a vette. just doesn't even compare. i in no way feel more confident throwing an MSP into turns over that of a vette. it may be lighter but it is so far from confident compared to a vette. couple of simple things for you to look at for instance:

1. center of gravity - the msp sits higher not allowing it to be thrown around as well.
2. aero dynamics - low slung sleak design vs. an econo box 4 door. pretty simple camparo there.
3. wheels - fat with major grip > small with not the best grip.
4. skid pad tests...need i say more.

Anyway look at it like this....are you going to feel more "confident" barrelling into a 90 degree at over 100mph in a vette or in an MSP. c'mon man there is no comparison there either. vette and GT = far greater than the MSP in handling. your talking about 2 cars that have awesome factory suspensions which both do 1.0g skidpads (.98 for the vette) up against a tall sitting econo with an improved suspension from an aftermarket suspension designer that still only produces .89g

guys i loved my MSP and I know you do too, but seriously don't try to compare your 20k eco car to that of a car designed for performance. c'mon guys with statements like "i would have to take the msp over the vette if for any reason because its lighter and more confident feeling through the corners" is absured. if that were the case i am sure mazda would still be making the car and selling them by the tons if they were able to out "confidence" a vette in turns.

sorry i'm trying to be nice but dude (encourage

 

[Metal MP5]

And you'd be hard pressed to find any suspension upgrades for the MSP that would bring it to 1.0....the stock MSP suspension is amazing and very well tuned...it's already near the limits of the chassis.

you my friend need a ride in an MSP with full suspension mods. Focus has all the GT-Spec suspension parts + adjustable coil overs and OMG that car feels like a go-kart. huge improvements over my stock suspension MSP

i know next to nothing to skidpad numbers and what they means and everything, so i'm not saying it would be close to 1.0 BUT even though i LOVE my suspension, it can still be improved by alot

 

[jersey_emt]

you my friend need a ride in an MSP with full suspension mods. Focus has all the GT-Spec suspension parts + adjustable coil overs and OMG that car feels like a go-kart. huge improvements over my stock suspension MSP

i know next to nothing to skidpad numbers and what they means and everything, so i'm not saying it would be close to 1.0 BUT even though i LOVE my suspension, it can still be improved by alot

Still not going to be anywhere near the capability of a supercar.

 

[Mallard]

Mallard, I was speaking in broad terms. No intention to offend you.

I know. I just wanted you to understand that there are engineers out there that are really good drivers. A lot of engineers I know (including myself) are huge 'car people.' We enjoy pushing the limits and a lot have been trained accordingly. Some of us are lucky enough that our job entails us being out on a track almost daily.

The guy in the GT was way off the racing line. It was probably a manager that wanted to take it for a spin, IMHO.

 

[Mallard]

i know next to nothing to skidpad numbers and what they means and everything, so i'm not saying it would be close to 1.0 BUT even though i LOVE my suspension, it can still be improved by alot

I pulled 1g on street tires. Read my thread "Did some testing today" in the racing section.

p.s. I still wouldn't have a chance against a GT.

 

[Metal MP5]

hmmm ... i'm sure any supercar would kill an MSP on any track any day no matter what, but number-wise, with all those suspension upgrades and good tires, i dont think it would be that far

 

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

both cars? i assume you mean the MSP and the vette....since i know you have a vette
you are intitled to your opinion. i have driven both. the MSP does not in any form or fasion come close to that of a vette. just doesn't even compare. i in no way feel more confident throwing an MSP into turns over that of a vette. it may be lighter but it is so far from confident compared to a vette. couple of simple things for you to look at for instance:

1. center of gravity - the msp sits higher not allowing it to be thrown around as well.
2. aero dynamics - low slung sleak design vs. an econo box 4 door. pretty simple camparo there.
3. wheels - fat with major grip > small with not the best grip.
4. skid pad tests...need i say more.

Anyway look at it like this....are you going to feel more "confident" barrelling into a 90 degree at over 100mph in a vette or in an MSP. c'mon man there is no comparison there either. vette and GT = far greater than the MSP in handling. your talking about 2 cars that have awesome factory suspensions which both do 1.0g skidpads (.98 for the vette) up against a tall sitting econo with an improved suspension from an aftermarket suspension designer that still only produces .89g

guys i loved my MSP and I know you do too, but seriously don't try to compare your 20k eco car to that of a car designed for performance. c'mon guys with statements like "i would have to take the msp over the vette if for any reason because its lighter and more confident feeling through the corners" is absured. if that were the case i am sure mazda would still be making the car and selling them by the tons if they were able to out "confidence" a vette in turns.

sorry i'm trying to be nice but dude (encourage

yes i meant the vette, and to ME the msp feels more confident in the corners, the vette tend to lose some feel of the ground once u get it hauling into a corner (not to mention its ass happy), however i do drive the vette with all assists off, i dont like the traction control or active stability control. i do see your point i was just stating my personal preferences.