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[boostisgood]

I agree, to a point, Craig. What I see as Mazda's true "FAILURE" is the controlling part that FORD has over them.

To sum up why Mazda will never put out a high output car is simple. When Honda, and the other import cars started to really hit the states, a "gentlemens agreement" was made with the BIG 3. This agreement was basically, you dont import high output cars, we wont build the quality you do. (hence why most Domestic cars never last more then 5 years, but Imports will last 20)

Mitsu, and Suby said to hell with that, and are now putting out killer cars (Evo and STI) and now Nissan is going to release the beast known as the Skyline. (will be 400+whp) Mazda, with having to deal with Fords hand in thier pockets, will never be able to put a high output, well built car in the US market. Ford would lose much business on its own products that way. This is why you will never see a car over 230-240 HP (RX-8) released by Mazda.

You can say my statements are way off target, but I call it how I have seen the industry operate over the last 20-25 years. All my information is based on information that either has been well known, or obtained from reliable sources in the industry.

I would love to see a 300+ WHP RX-8 from MAzdaspeed, but that will more then likely never happen. As far as more Mazdaspeed cars coming out after the Miata, I would suspect it would be the RX-8, and they would see it in thier best interest to stay away from doing any 4 door sedan with the MAzdaspeed Badge.

 

[1sty]

I have to disagree.

TO my knowledge the gentlemens agreement was made in Japan by Japanese companies not to produce cars with more then 280 hp. Suby, a GM company, broke that rule and GM allowed the car imported to this country. Domestic rulers of the car industry are realizing what people want and its not sunfires and malibus any more.

NOw for the Mazdaspeed Protege failures, they had nothing to do with ford. Ford did not tune and create a total turd of a ECU program, that was mazda. Ford did not downgrade the suspension design on the MP3 form racing beats design, nor did Ford make the decision to carry that foul up into the Mazdaspeed. The total power of the MSP may have been limited slightly by Ford, however Ford allowed it to outhandle the SVT and have the same power. Not to mention a turbo which will tend to draw more attention. Also keep in mind that the protege engine and tranny have reliabilty issues at the stock power level. It would have been very unwise for mazda to have given it any more power then it was given. That concern is easily apparent in the redicoulus a/f ratio that the car is tuned to.

The plain and simple truth is mazda is clearly ******* up all on there own, its not Fords doing.

 

[70]

However, there were rumors of Mazda wanting to jump back in to the 24 Hours of Le Mans with another rotary powered proto-type using a similar motor as the famed 787B. A newer 26B.

Development time and costs were put into the car and motor, only to have Ford say no.

So, if Ford said no to that, why would the MSP Miata go forward regardless of time of money?

Mazdaspeed is not going to die off after the Miata. Mazda introduced Mazdaspeed about a year ago, why would they kill a program after one year. You cannot judge a market based on one year and one car.

Oh yeah, as for sales, there were about 10 626s sold in North Amerca the month of the Mazda6 release. Why? People want the new car!

All Protege sales are slow because of the release of the Mazda3. That includes the Mazdapseed Protege.

 

[Newf]

I think we're forgetting the most important reason why the MAzdaspeed's failed to sell well....they were ALL late, and released after every other manfucature had to time to release thier hot rod imports. If the Speeds had come out in Oct 2002 as planned, I think it would have turned out a little different.

I can't argue with Craig's point, while a little more harsh then i would put it...thing is, he's right. Mazda did **** up, and I've seen this 1st hand. Not only did they **** up....2-3 years after f'n up the mp3's suspension, they released yet another car based on the same damn suspension???? like wtf were they thinking? I can't blaim Ford for that one. Although, I can blaim Ford for the 170hp thing. I've heard too many things that all point to Ford waving its mighty hand and not wanting the MSP to be more powerful then the SVT. Callaway designed it with hard pipes, running at more PSI, so the engine can take it.

Now, as for the No Mazdaspeed 3 thing from Sema man. Well, that's all fine and good, but we've had other guys from ...yes...Sema, also tell is bulls*** as well. I would not be surprised if yet another Mazda idiot doesn't know what's going on again. That being said, this time, since it's a Mazdaspeed guy...this could be very true that the MS3 won't happen.

.....only time will tell....until this, speculation, rumors, theories etc = bulls***

 

[vodapas77]

.....only time will tell....until this, speculation, rumors, theories etc = bulls***

But so much fun.

 

[OceanPark]

I agree, to a point, Craig. What I see as Mazda's true "FAILURE" is the controlling part that FORD has over them.

To sum up why Mazda will never put out a high output car is simple. When Honda, and the other import cars started to really hit the states, a "gentlemens agreement" was made with the BIG 3. This agreement was basically, you dont import high output cars, we wont build the quality you do. (hence why most Domestic cars never last more then 5 years, but Imports will last 20)

Mitsu, and Suby said to hell with that, and are now putting out killer cars (Evo and STI) and now Nissan is going to release the beast known as the Skyline. (will be 400+whp) Mazda, with having to deal with Fords hand in thier pockets, will never be able to put a high output, well built car in the US market. Ford would lose much business on its own products that way. This is why you will never see a car over 230-240 HP (RX-8) released by Mazda.

You can say my statements are way off target, but I call it how I have seen the industry operate over the last 20-25 years. All my information is based on information that either has been well known, or obtained from reliable sources in the industry.

I would love to see a 300+ WHP RX-8 from MAzdaspeed, but that will more then likely never happen. As far as more Mazdaspeed cars coming out after the Miata, I would suspect it would be the RX-8, and they would see it in thier best interest to stay away from doing any 4 door sedan with the MAzdaspeed Badge.

This is hilarious, and sounds like you are one of the CEO in FORD and knowing all of the top secret details. But luckily you are not, or things will all F up.

Mazda is owned partly by Ford, and if Mazda is making money, Ford will benefit too. There is no such BS agreement, each and every car company has their characteristic and driven by the market response. It is not like if Mazda take away the Protg and the Focus will sell 10 million more units. And then Ford ppl can clap their hands and laugh cause Mazda screwed.

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