Matrix said:
:bs: That is an incredibly innaccurate statement. Israel gave nothing away, where did you ever get that idea? Israel was formed in 1948 by Jewish zionists who displaced the indiginous civilian population by force. What "original" Israeli state are you referring to?
I'll gather the extensive list of war crimes Israel is guilty of committing and post it here when it's ready.
Oops, yes, I mispoke. Technically Lebanon itself fell outside of the original border of Isreal. My bad on that one. Doesn't mean Israel shouldn't defend itself though.
Your statement in how Israel formed in 1948 is incredibly misleading. They used 0 force when they declared themselves a state. It wasn't until AFTER they were declared a state that they used force - and that was to fend off an impending invasion from the surround Arab countries (Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, etc)!!!
Here's the true timeline with simplified dates - no 4 years of schooling needed:
1914-1918 (World War I) - Jews sick of being masacred by Germany, so begin going south back to their "homeland".
1923 (World War I is done) - British decide Palestine should be divided into 2 areas, 25% goes to Jewish Palestinians (basically everything west of the Jordan River), 75% is called Trans-Jordan and goes to Arab Palestinians (East of the Jordan River). Note that the Arab Palestinian area of land is MUCH bigger than the Jewish section here.
1947 - Arab Palestinians are still not happy so the UN draws up a resolution to divide the 25% of land that is Jewish into a Jewish Palestinian state and a SECOND Arab Palestinian state. Although the Jews would lose land in this deal, they were OK with it but of course the Arabs were not even though they'd now be allowed East and West of the Jordan River.
1948 - Jewish Palestinians declare their own state following the UN resolution proposal from the year before.
1948 - The DAY AFTER the Jewish Palestinians declared their state, the neighboring Arab nations (Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, etc) invaded to dispel the Jews for good. Official start of the Israeli war of Independence.
1949 - "Israel" won and the end result of the war was the official creation of a Jewish state slightly larger than the UN resolution in 1947 (but still excluding the controversial areas knows as "Gaza Strip" and the "West Bank" and Jerusalem - those were still considered "Arab" areas and not part of Israel, unlike the UN resolution had proposed.
1949-1967 - relative peace in the area. During this time, there was NO effort made by anyone to form an official Arab Palestinian state in the West Bank or Gaza strip (that only came later after Israel regained that area).
1967 - Egypt, Jordan, and Syria gather an army surrounding the odd and difficult to defend border of Israel, preparing to invade and get rid of Israel once and for all. Israel decides to premptively attack rather than sit back waiting to be invaded. Israeli-Arab war begins.
1967 - After just
6 DAYS Israel manages to defeat the Egyptian army, the Syrian Army and the Jordan Army, taking control of large chunks of Egypt and Syria and a small piece of Jordan -- including the controversial areas known as "Gaza Strip", and "West Bank" (including Jerusalem). Problem is, Gaza Strip and West Bank are mostly occupied by Arabs (because they were Arab territories prior to when their leaders decided to go to war and LOSE). Because of these refugees, rather than drive the Arabs out to their home Arab countries, Israel decided to allow them to stay and (hopefully) peacefully co-exist.
etc etc etc - blah blah blah - they've been fighting over that area ever since. Even after Israel has GAVE BACK the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, the Arab Palestinian's continue to fight. What more can Israel do????????
