Installing my Goldlines and Illuminas this weekend. w00t!

MrDiggler said:
Tonight I gotta figure out why I'm getting a knocking from the right rear under susp. compression. Arrgghh.

'Twas the upper endlink bolt. I use lock washers on them and it appeared tight, but it went another 1/2 turn before snugging up. Almost certain that the wheel bearing is going bad back there too. Getting some odd rythmic noises from that corner on the highway, and they change a bit under braking. Checked the pads and rotor (they're fine), but when I had the pads out and spun the rotor I could hear that the wheel bearing sounded a bit rough. Can't wait to change that.
 
Oh, and if anyone's read the Feb. SCC mag, that article on damper adjustment went a long way toward explaining what I don't like about this suspension setup. I think the rebound damping is a little high and delaying weight transfer, which would cause the weird feeling I get of initial push turning into sometimes dramatic oversteer. That was a great article.
 
could you by chance run some scans of it?? Sounds like a good read but i don't get that magazine
 
An update after another few thousand miles of driving...

I got the right rear wheel bearing replaced. No more noise. Glad it didn't seize on me while on a mountain road. I'm going to replace the left rear next week, and then I'll have new wheel bearings all the way around.

While digging through some recent issues of SCC, I ran across an early installment of their suspension tech series. (JMV- the scans would take forever. I'll see if I can get you the issue dates. You can order them, and it's a great series.) One of the things that was explained were the different centers: Roll center, center of gravity and instant center, as well as the all important roll couple. Now I think I know why I feel like my body roll increased and my handling quality deteriorated after lowering the front end so much. I'm betting (IIRC) my roll center dropped way down due to my stock suspension geometry, and dropped more than my CG did from the lowering. This increased the roll couple, and worsened my handling characteristics. It sounds like a classic case of overlowering, and also jives with what the R&D guy at Tokico said. Now I'm back to my original idea of using a factory front spring and cutting it just enough to give me about .75" drop over stock. If not, I need to find a front spring that isn't too stiff and will set the front end just where I want it. Fun, fun.

I'm still considering coilovers, but if I get them, I want a fully adjustable set. No cheap stuff. Most likely Tein with the EDC controller. Problem is, I just bought these Illuminas and I don't want to sink $1,500+ into the suspension right now. Not to mention, neither myself or my wife would be thrilled with the much higher spring rates of good coilovers.

I do love the "tucked" look though. I always get tons of compliments on Sparky, but they've increased since the drop. That's the main reason why I don't want to put the front back up to stock height. I'm willing to compromise just a bit.
 
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This is a very informative thread. Thanks for maintaining it.

The Illumina handling kit comes with springs rated at 185lb/in front, 145-200 rear according to the Protege FAQ, but the Goldlines are 140/130. This suggests that your setup is overdamped by some 30%, which is probably contributing to your handling problems, maybe more so than the radical drop.
 
Thanks man. I didn't even know they made such a kit for the Protege. I wonder where I'd get the springs? I definitely think I'm overdamped on at least the rebound damping, based on what I read in SCC's guide. There's a noticeable delay in the weight transfer happening, particularly around the longer back and forth s-curves. The delayed oversteer can be sudden and scary (and sometimes quite fun)!
 
great thread. If you can find those dates for the articles, thats cool, if not no biggie.

I'm glad to see someone out there who is looking for the same kind of suspension setup i am, i'm going to continue following this thread closely to see what you ultimately end up with!!
 
jmv said:
great thread. If you can find those dates for the articles, thats cool, if not no biggie.

I'm glad to see someone out there who is looking for the same kind of suspension setup i am, i'm going to continue following this thread closely to see what you ultimately end up with!!

I found part 1 on SCC's website by searching for the title, "Making it Stick". I'll edit shortly with the info for the months they ran the rest of the series.

Part 1: http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0506scc_handling_cornering/index.html

JMV, if you would be kind enough to Paypal me a couple of grand, I'll be happy to research several combinations for ya. :D
 
hahahaha

ya well, i'm not expecting you to be my test mule, but i can learn from the info you gather for sure!!

:)
 
JoshP5 said:
The Tokico part number is ILK248. The kit supposedly drops 1-1/4", so for your MSP it'd be 1/2" lower than stock. If that's low enough, maybe call Tokico back and explain the situation. They might sell just the springs, or at least tell you who their supplier is.

Otherwise, a lot of spring specifications are available at http://www.protegefaq.net/ and
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58798.

Good luck.

Looking for specs on the ILK248 right now. Not much out there. I'll try calling Tokico in the morning. Thanks for the info.
 
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