I'm getting a new PC!

[Kooldino]

You are forgiven...lol

You know it's funny you mentioned that--I was just at my RX-7 girlfriend's house and she showed me her 21" monitor. The picture was as beautiful as real life! I asked her if it was a Trinitron and she said it was a Hitachi! NIIIIIIIIICE...

Awesome, was it the same one I have? Hitachi makes another one, but the screen isn't flat.

Hella sweet monitor tho.

I like trinitrons too, but those grey lines bug the crap outta me.

 

[Kooldino]

Oh thats right, people couldn't just say "cool, hope you like it". Instead all I get is "You could have built it for less and I get it cheaper"

If that's all you want people to say, then why bother posting???

I guess NEXT time, post BEFORE you get the PC!

 

[1sty]

I've seen some NIIIIICE projectors before. $5K+ ones. Pretty damn good.

I honestly don't feel like trying to explain the downsides of LCDs in text...but I'll touch on a few.

1-A phenomenon called "ghosting". Basically the screen will display things that aren't there.

2-Dot pitch. The BEST LCDs that you can find easily have around a .26 dot pitch, but 95% of them have a .28 or higher (higher=worse). Your AVERAGE tube has a .26, and higher ones like mine are even lower than that. I've never seen a lower dot pitch that the one on my monitor (if you actually care, look up the link i posted on an earlier post in this thread). Basically "dot pitch" refers to the distance between the pixels. The closer they are (ie lower number), the better. A difference of .02 is pretty noticeable, especially at higher resolutions.

3-Resolutions. LCD's ONLY look "good" at ONE resolutions. The word "good" was in quotes because they never really look "good", but I'm using "good" as a relative term here. So basically, if you change the resolution from the res it was designed to run at, it will look like crap. Big time. And since it seems like you're a gamer (you said you played RPGs), you're probably gonna wanna run different games at different resolutions (typically, you want to run the highest playable resolution). I think by now you already see the problem...

I have access to $10K and up plus I can always call the distributer and get a demo unit.

You didn't compair an LCD to a flat screen at all which was the question I ask. If there is a difference what is it?

And stop post whoring in my thread!
:wtf:

 

[1sty]

If that's all you want people to say, then why bother posting???

I guess NEXT time, post BEFORE you get the PC!

Why were you going to build me a PC and get me all that extras that I wanted plus legit software that I wanted for under $600?

 

[Kooldino]

Thanks for the info?
The video card i got has a dvi out.
I habe no idea what the 15" is. Probably regular old analoge. But I doubt the video card is good enough to matter that much on the display. Plus like I said I will probably just sell the display or keep it in the box until I have to go back to a tiny dorm room.

How far along is DVI in the consumer market. My only knowledge is of the commercail market? It will be interesting to see what will become the standard now that they have 6 wire, cat 5 video, or 5e or cat 6 plus DVI.

Uh...I've never heard of 6 wire cat 5 video before...although I have heard of displays being fed image data through networks to display an image. In which case you could use cat 5...wireless...fiber...whatever. But if you're just talking about sending raw video from a vid card to a display...DVI is the best way.

Also, the vid card "not being good enough to matter on the display"...It will be. We're talking about image quality here, not rendering speed. But I'm sure it has a DVI out on it. It would be foolish for Dell to package the computer with a video card that didn't output digital...or else it would go from digital -> analog ->digital...kinda like a modem. I never see LCDs that only take analog.

 

[1sty]

Uh...I've never heard of 6 wire cat 5 video before...although I have heard of displays being fed image data through networks to display an image. In which case you could use cat 5...wireless...fiber...whatever. But if you're just talking about sending raw video from a vid card to a display...DVI is the best way.

Also, the vid card "not being good enough to matter on the display"...It will be. We're talking about image quality here, not rendering speed. But I'm sure it has a DVI out on it. It would be foolish for Dell to package the computer with a video card that didn't output digital...or else it would go from digital -> analog ->digital...kinda like a modem. I never see LCDs that only take analog.

In the commercial world there are some changes. Video, like NTSC, shortly becoming other things, is now capable of being sent over CAT 5, of coarse cat 5 has already been expended to cat 5e and cat 6 now, both are rare but available. Many manufacture are offering both audio and video over cat 5. Besides the fact its a better signal integrity it also can be sent much further. Also video is coming closer to computer. Most interfaces utalize RGBHV and video is almost there, these are the 5 wire. So all types are signal are converging on one standard cable, which would be awsome for companies like us. DVI is also in the mix so it will be interesting to see where the industry standards shift.

www.extron.com can give you alot more info on all these then I can. Extron is the worlds leader interface and switcher maker. This refers to commercail AV of corse.

 

[Kooldino]

Exactly if you have to buy windows and all the sofetware the savings you had by building are all but wasted. I doubt you can build a PC to those specs with everything and all the same software wiht legal liscenses for $600, if you can quite your job and start a buisness.

Great another person that works for the Governement that spends half the day on the internet. Please tell me your works not that critical to others.

Well, if you want expensive software, then you're right...I can't legally do it for $600. Unless you want Linux. Luckily I own a lot of software.

Uhh...actually the stuff I work on helps keep airplanes in the sky...think of me next time you take a flight!

Hey, a few minutes online here and there is necessary to destress.

 

[Kooldino]

I have access to $10K and up plus I can always call the distributer and get a demo unit.

You didn't compair an LCD to a flat screen at all which was the question I ask. If there is a difference what is it?

And stop post whoring in my thread!
:wtf:

$10K and up what...projectors?

Oh, you wanted me to compare an LCD display to a flat screen CRT? Well, I basically did in a previous post. flat screen CRT wins hands down in image quality. Just make sure you get a TRUE flat CRT, not one that's concaved.

 

[Kooldino]

Why were you going to build me a PC and get me all that extras that I wanted plus legit software that I wanted for under $600?

No, but we could have helped you out a bit and given you good suggestions. Like the $600 Dell that's almost as good as the machine you just ordered.

 

[Kooldino]

In the commercial world there are some changes. Video, like NTSC, shortly becoming other things, is now capable of being sent over CAT 5, of coarse cat 5 has already been expended to cat 5e and cat 6 now, both are rare but available. Many manufacture are offering both audio and video over cat 5. Besides the fact its a better signal integrity it also can be sent much further. Also video is coming closer to computer. Most interfaces utalize RGBHV and video is almost there, these are the 5 wire. So all types are signal are converging on one standard cable, which would be awsome for companies like us. DVI is also in the mix so it will be interesting to see where the industry standards shift.

www.extron.com can give you alot more info on all these then I can. Extron is the worlds leader interface and switcher maker. This refers to commercail AV of corse.

I'll check that site out, thnx. I understand what you mean by 5 wire (RGBHV), but you mentioned a SIX wire in your original post. What does the 6th wire control?

I've heard of people running cat5 in their cars for audio...heard it works well. But like I said before, you can basically use just about any wire to transmit just about any kind of signal. Cat 5 and up have very good integrity tho, and like you said, they do travel about 100M before it needs an amp.

 

[1sty]

Well, if you want expensive software, then you're right...I can't legally do it for $600. Unless you want Linux. Luckily I own a lot of software.

Uhh...actually the stuff I work on helps keep airplanes in the sky...think of me next time you take a flight!

Hey, a few minutes online here and there is necessary to destress.

Thats why I don't fly, ever.

As for teh LCD flat panel comparision. Someone mantioned a flat PANEL was good and an lcd bad. The word panel would to me inmply a thin monitor, hence LCD unless they're talking about a 17" plasma display. Flat monitors i know about but the word panel was throwing me off. I would assume a flat panel refers to an LCD display other wise it would just as you described it, a flat MONITOR.

Am I wrong on this?

 

[1sty]

I'll check that site out, thnx. I understand what you mean by 5 wire (RGBHV), but you mentioned a SIX wire in your original post. What does the 6th wire control?

I have absolutley no Idea, A few guys came back from infocomm talking about it. I can only image its a split of lumanace or something similar.

 

[Kooldino]

Thats why I don't fly, ever.

As for teh LCD flat panel comparision. Someone mantioned a flat PANEL was good and an lcd bad. The word panel would to me inmply a thin monitor, hence LCD unless they're talking about a 17" plasma display. Flat monitors i know about but the word panel was throwing me off. I would assume a flat panel refers to an LCD display other wise it would just as you described it, a flat MONITOR.

Am I wrong on this?

Flat panel=LCD...you're right...no difference.

 

[1sty]

I just re priced the same PC now that all the offers are over, over $1600. I paid under $1300 with shipping.

Hey Kooldino, Is $750 a good price for a 19" viewable LCD monitor? Regarding the fact you don't like them ofcoarse.

 

[GNsPR5]

O.K. I was trying to avoid this...Show my true nature. I'm a geek by any other name...I build PC's.

http://www.infinitydriven.net/my_pc.htm

Now if I can mod my new P5 like my PC....woah!

 

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

All I have to say is DAMN. We have some very knowledgable, grouchy peeps here. I'm stayin outta this...

 

[1sty]

Looks fine to me.
DOes tat thing have a tem guage?
Is it liquid cooled too?

 

[GNsPR5]

The DigitalDoc5 on the front has fan control, temp control, voltage monitoring, and dead fan warning. I plan on using it when I get to my overclocking project in 3 weeks. Should keep the whole system cool and healthy.

I just got in the Radiation window etch and plan on putting it on tonight! Woo hoo!

 

[1sty]

Sounds like you need a radiator on that thing.
I bet with all that you still have dial up!
(rofl)

What do you use that beast for?

 

[GNsPR5]

Uh no....I gave up dial-up 3 years ago. I'm on the fat pipe with Earthlink DSL. As for the radiator, my overclocking project will involve water cooling. As for its purpose? Oh just about everything under the sun is done on this baby.
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