How rare are the MS6's really?

[crashkelly]

and those were not predicted numbers...they were from the press release that came out from mazda when people started reserving them.

either way it still is proof that black and orange came out at the same time...not that they came out with orange, then 3 months later black, then 3 more months later the 2003.5 versions. That doesnt make any sense, according to you the black msp should be the 2003.25 MSP...just because you didnt see one when they first came out doesnt mean they didnt exist until you saw one a few months later...

 

[chuyler1]

So who bought a black one before March of 2003? Just curious because I didn't see them on the website at that time either.

 

[crashkelly]

So who bought a black one before March of 2003? Just curious because I didn't see them on the website at that time either.

I dunno dude, i dont generally ask people the exact date they purchased their MSP and i doubt many MSP owners are even going to read this 6 thread. Honestly i wish i didnt read it now that im going back and forth with you. None of the things you originally stated were true...ie original colors or that they "pumped them out like crazy in many different colors" (3-4 different colors in 2003.5 and the deletion of spicy/mica is not many colors)

Ive made my point and unless you have ANY proof(which i have yet to see other than your misinformed opinion) to show me that they made the black ones and orange ones at different times then I am un'subbin from this lame thread.

 

[chuyler1]

Honestly, my only real point was that none of the cars are "rare" and you will see them from time to time. The MP3 is the rarest of them all and I see one from time to time (not counting anyone on this board). Its been a while since I've seen a yellow though.

...and there will be plenty of MS3s left come October when the 08 models start to hit dealer lots. At that time you can expect a pretty good deal.

 

[wannabe]

ok listen fella, im sure that you were misinformed...i OWN a 2003 black msp. Id have to be insane to make that up. Predicted numbers or not 03' was black and orange and they both came out at the same time.

Honestly ive been on these boards for years and know MSPs inside and out and their history. And i didnt get my production number/year from these boards. I actually called MazdaUSA and they verified all my information. If you are gonna tell me that a dealer gave you that info and you are gonna believe what a dealer told you over someone on these boards then you have a problem...I mean do you know how many threads ive seen where dealers are labelling msp's as 03 mp3' or 01 mp3' as 01 msp's...or worse...they tell a person with a completely stock MSP that they modified it because they simply dont know that a msp came with a turbo, sway bars, etc.

Dealers know jackshit 90% of the time.

dealer labeled my 01 ES that was modded to the mp3 kit as an 01 mp3

 

[wannabe]

and all the information i've read say 5,000 for 06, and 5,000 for 07.

 

[freekwonder]

Honestly, my only real point was that none of the cars are "rare" and you will see them from time to time. The MP3 is the rarest of them all and I see one from time to time (not counting anyone on this board). Its been a while since I've seen a yellow though.

...and there will be plenty of MS3s left come October when the 08 models start to hit dealer lots. At that time you can expect a pretty good deal.

I've seen more MS6s and MSPs then MP3s, I honestly miss my MP3 hardcore, if I could find one I would probably buy it and piss of my wife.

 

[Dmxn500]

rare

i barely see any down here in jersey. ive seen like 2 platinum ones and then i have the black one. i know how u feel i like having a car thats pretty rare to see. makes u feel special

 

[MS6S2K]

and all the information i've read say 5,000 for 06, and 5,000 for 07.

Oh How it would be nice if the Speed 6 was that rare, but it's not even close. Unfortunately the information you read is totally wrong. 10000+ for 2006 is very possible, and likely. If there were only 5000, I wouldn't have been going to the dealership with 7 different 06 Speed 6s to choose from at one dealership, and 22 in my local area last summer. Even now, the dealerships here have about 5-6 each for 07, and after I bought mine, more 06s came in. I had every color choice, and every option package when I went to get mine, and that means there were a lot more speed 6s made for 06. Perhaps less for 07, but still more then 5000.

They went way overboard on production, thinking perhaps the Speed 6 would be a very popular seller, but they were DEAD wrong. The fact that they sold me an 06 Speed 6 in July of 06 for $5500 off MSRP tells you all you need to know. I'm not complaining though. If they only made 5000 in 06, I'd have never gotten the deal I got last year on one. When the 07s came out, the deals got even more insane, because there were simply too many 06 models made.

 

[Rotary_Powered]

What are MS6's selling for anyways? same as the MS3?

 

[chuyler1]

Are you talking 10,000 worldwide for 06? That seems a bit high for North America (which I assumed we were talking about). Don't they only sell about 30,000 regular Mazda6s each year in North America?

Mazda doesn't have much of a hold on the Performance Sedan market and the fact that the MS6 was only offered in a 6-speed doesn't help that. You see lots of Bimmers and Audis on the road...but most of those are not manuals. If you only offer manual you are catering to enthusiasts. I don't see 10,000-15,000 enthusiasts lining up for a Mazda6.

 

[MS6S2K]

Are you talking 10,000 worldwide for 06? That seems a bit high for North America (which I assumed we were talking about). Don't they only sell about 30,000 regular Mazda6s each year in North America?

Mazda doesn't have much of a hold on the Performance Sedan market and the fact that the MS6 was only offered in a 6-speed doesn't help that. You see lots of Bimmers and Audis on the road...but most of those are not manuals. If you only offer manual you are catering to enthusiasts. I don't see 10,000-15,000 enthusiasts lining up for a Mazda6.

No one has been lining up for a Speed 6 since before it came out. The car couldn't sell very well for even invoice shortly after all the enthusiast people got theirs. When they were offering them for 5-6000 off MSRP before they were even considered leftover, and even cheaper when the 07s came out, people who would have otherwise never bought this version DID( example: ME lol), because you could get a boatload more power and AWD for about the same amount as a regular comparably equipped 6.The dealerships here are ALWAYS packed with Speed 6s, and the Speed 3 has had much less of an inventory in dealerships within 50 miles of where I live. So many incentives for so many months, this car was a STEAL in 2006, and probably will be soon for 07 as well.

Keep in mind as well. I have ran across two other Speed 6 owners, one has an 06 Silver, and one guy has a Black Cherry one just like mine. Both these owners ARE NOT enthusiasts, because when talking to them, they were just like " YEAH, this is the top of the line Mazda 6 with AWD. There was nothing enthusiast about those two owners I came across, so the car has been selling to every day type of people who enjoy driving manual. They had major lease deals going on with this car for a long time, so this is far less of an enthusiast car then we think it is.

I think they doubled their production in 06, when in reality the initial enthusiast market was already gone before they sold 5000. Then they had to offer INSANE incenctives to clear out their overproduction. Just a guess and an opinion. Can't wait to really know. I'm definitely not the only one who got a Speed 6 because of how insanely cheap it was to buy. Even at invoice, I'd have NEVER purchased this car. $2000 below invoice, that changed EVERYTHING.

 

[chuyler1]

People were expecting an EVO killer from Mazda for some reason. They might have been able to do it had they made the "Sport" version a stripper version instead to cut the weight. I am also in the "I would not have bought this car for MSRP" boat. At 32K the GT was nice but out of my market. At 24K it was a steal. I don't think I'll find another car with this performance for such a great price ever again.

 

[Karma_hunden]

i bought my 31k car for 28k.

 

[Rotary_Powered]

so I could find one for 22K?

 

[MS6S2K]

so I could find one for 22K?

The 06 models are long gone now, so likely not until the 07 model is considered used, which would mean very late 07, early 08. The 22k or less deals occured after the car was leftover mostly in 07. There simply may never be the deals on the 07 models like there were on the 06s, because I'm sure Mazda wised up and is producing considerably less 07 models. If there are 07 Speed 6s still sitting in the lots in early 08, then I can see you getting one for that price easily. No way to know. The time to buy was earlier this year, when dealerships still had lots of 06 models to unload. I remember seeing $4500 cash back back in February at my dealership, and they had 5 06 models left at the time. They were gone within a month.

 

[chuyler1]

Yep, I got 4750 cash back. Paid under invoice. Got 4700 for a trade in (they initially offered 4K). That works out to a speed6 GT with moonroof for a 19K loan. I refinanced a week later with DCU and dropped my payment by about $25.

 

[Claymoore]

One of the reasons (although a minor one) that I bought my MS6 was that they are rare. In fact, I never even heard of the Mazdaspeed 6 until a 2006 MS6 Sport popped up in a search based on price/features. After doing some research on the MS6 - including trolling the forums here - I decided I had to have one. The dealership sold it the day I went to look at it, and there were no more in Florida. Another search showed 85 for sale around the country, and I eventually had one shipped in from Missouri and picked it up a week ago. Besides the one from the dealer in Brandon, there is one in my apartment complex and a co-worker's son has one. That makes 4 that I know of in the Tampa Bay area. Compared to the G35 coupe / 350Z / 3 series BMW driven by half the people in my complex, I am happy to own a car that is rare and different.

Now that I own one, I will probably start seeing more of them. My girlfriend bought an 04 Sentra SE-R SpecV a year ago, and I didn't see many of them on the road until she bought hers. It may be that once you own one and can recognize the model easily, you start noticing the ones that were always there.

 

[Rotary_Powered]

This is true I never saw FC's before! Now I see one once every week or two. I think it's because you learn the cars lines better and are able recognize them much easier.

 

[MS6S2K]

One of the reasons (although a minor one) that I bought my MS6 was that they are rare. In fact, I never even heard of the Mazdaspeed 6 until a 2006 MS6 Sport popped up in a search based on price/features. After doing some research on the MS6 - including trolling the forums here - I decided I had to have one. The dealership sold it the day I went to look at it, and there were no more in Florida.

That's not surprising that the Speed 6 would be rare in Florida. In The Northeast where AWD cars sell like hot cakes, I see them quite often. They sold a lot in my area, and each dealer around here had at least 6 in stock at one time since they came out, and the same applies currently for the 07 model right now. In your area, the car is definitely rare. Overall throughout the United States, no the car is definitely not rare. It's still a pretty limited trim though.

The Mazda 6 itself is all over the place, and the look isn't a whole lot different, so I cannot separate the Speed 6 as a totally different car, because it's really the top of line trim of a massively produced Mazda 6. So the fact is this car is very common, it's just that our particular trim isn't.

One of the reasons why I bought my S2000 (minor reason), was because in my book it's a much more rare car then my Mazdaspeed 6. There's only one trim, so when you see an S2000, you see an S2000. There's no cheap version of it, and it's originally built. When you see a Mazda 6, you might see Mazda6-I Sedan. You might see a 6-S Sedan. Perhaps you might see a 6-I 5 Door, or a 6-S 5 Door. Perhaps you'll see the wagon, or the Mazdaspeed 6.