Hi-Boost and a WRX

[QuickShift]

I'm kinda lookin for a poll here.....you guys think that a P5 with the big bad Hi-Boost could take a non-STi(crappy driver) WRX? This guy has been giving me problems for forever now.....and I'm about ready to take out a loan for this kit just to shut him up. Bad thing is, Oct 29th of last year, I wrecked doing 95 or so.....racing a vett. I'll post pics later, as well as a list of injuries....lol. But, it was a beautiful 98 Integra, oh how i miss thee. But just thought I would ask, don't shoot me if it's been asked before....

(p5yellow)

 

[changedman]

sure. but depends on the boost level

 

[QuickShift]

sure. but depends on the boost level

I hear ya, I was just wondering because it would suck to spend like 4 grand and then loose.....it would be a bad day (gun) Hey, a better question. Would I still get eaten by a SRT-4? I'm about to break down and get one, lmao.

 

[ELEmental59437]

Pirana used to have a Hiboosted P5, and went to an STi. He said a stock STi would beat a Hiboost P5 at 11 psi from a roll, but the P5 could take it on the highway.

As far as the wreck situation, I would ONLY suggest racing at a track. No sence in throwing down 4 grand, and donig something stupid to hurt or kill you or others.

 

[Lethalchem]

I think spending $4000 just to beat some annoying guy is poor thinking. Do it for yourself, or don't do it at all. After all, what will you do when you beat him, and he goes out and mods his car? What then? Who's got the most $$ to blow?

 

[QuickShift]

I hear ya, guys. Rivalries are retarded....lol. Mainly I just want the kit because it's bad a, and it definately woulden't be stock. And i'm retired to street style, lmao. I'll post some pics tommorow. Broke the power pole into three pieces...lmao,

keep it real

 

[1 PHAT 5]

I would think that teh bolt on kit from Hi boost would put you on a close to even level with the WRX. you would also be hard pressed to beat him out of the hole. Can be done but you have to be a good driver and could use and LSD. Now if you builf you;re motor, tranny and pumped up the boost, I would say it wouldn't be close. Then again, he can turn around and do the same to his car. The WRx motor is more stout the the P5. I remember reading somewhere that the WRx can handle up around 500hp on a stock motor. I am not sure, don't kow much about the WRX but I do know it is one bad ass car. Again, you can beat the WRx but hey already start with a huge advantage plus all the racing heritage doens't hurt either.

I have a goal of making my P5 a 12 second daily driver. Next year I am going to start building another powerplant with all the essential electronics and then boost it. Will it be done in a year? I doubt it but, I have a plan and I am sticking to it so I can have a dependable 12 second daily driver

 

[1 PHAT 5]

I would think that teh bolt on kit from Hi boost would put you on a close to even level with the WRX. you would also be hard pressed to beat him out of the hole. Can be done but you have to be a good driver and could use and LSD. Now if you builf you;re motor, tranny and pumped up the boost, I would say it wouldn't be close. Then again, he can turn around and do the same to his car. The WRx motor is more stout the the P5. I remember reading somewhere that the WRx can handle up around 500hp on a stock motor. I am not sure, don't kow much about the WRX but I do know it is one bad ass car. Again, you can beat the WRx but hey already start with a huge advantage plus all the racing heritage doens't hurt either.

I have a goal of making my P5 a 12 second daily driver. Next year I am going to start building another powerplant with all the essential electronics and then boost it. Will it be done in a year? I doubt it but, I have a plan and I am sticking to it so I can have a dependable 12 second daily driver.

It would be easier buying a WRX wagon, an I might someday, but I love the way the P5 looks and it is more of an accomplishment to do it with the P5 than the WRX Wagon.

 

[QuickShift]

I would think that teh bolt on kit from Hi boost would put you on a close to even level with the WRX. you would also be hard pressed to beat him out of the hole. Can be done but you have to be a good driver and could use and LSD. Now if you builf you;re motor, tranny and pumped up the boost, I would say it wouldn't be close. Then again, he can turn around and do the same to his car. The WRx motor is more stout the the P5. I remember reading somewhere that the WRx can handle up around 500hp on a stock motor. I am not sure, don't kow much about the WRX but I do know it is one bad ass car. Again, you can beat the WRx but hey already start with a huge advantage plus all the racing heritage doens't hurt either.

I have a goal of making my P5 a 12 second daily driver. Next year I am going to start building another powerplant with all the essential electronics and then boost it. Will it be done in a year? I doubt it but, I have a plan and I am sticking to it so I can have a dependable 12 second daily driver

Rock on! What do you think I could do to beef up my tranny and engine that doesent come with the Hi-boost kit? I'm kind of new when it comes to the whole car thing, I know my stats. I just don't know how to do alot of the work that is required to make it a bad A vehicle of death and destruction. Throw a couple of tips up there for me if you don't mind.

better yet, is there any way to make the tranny shift a bit smoother. It's annoying that mine likes to grind when shifting quick....lol. thanks alot

 

[Rich24km]

my friend has a WRX with 500+ HP on his stock motor. He has upgraded the fuel injectors, turbo, up pipe, down pipe, 4" catless exhaust, and standalone, running 32 psi. His car is no joke. I know he has done a little more but won't tell. But the point is he is on stock internals etc. Those engines i believe are already forged from what he told me, and he's about to upgrade to an even bigger turbo and go with a front mount setup. He has alot of money, and runs 11s with only like 4,000 in upgrades. Granted he paid a little cheaper because he has a hook up. My point being; that car has a hell of alot higher ceiling for cheaper than what its gonna take you in the long run. If he throws down 4,000 you're toast. That also doesn't mean he shouldn't respect your car. My friend loves my car and he can smoke the s*** out of me. I just always say hey mine looks better .

 

[JOS3]

sure....ask aricjm15 about the sti (with a REALLY bad driver) he beat at the track in his '96 NA neon.....

 

[Rich24km]

Get rods, pistons, port your intake manifold, take the butterfly's out of the manifold. Turbo kit, get the tranny cryo'ed, new shift forks etc. (things that were added to the MSP tranny). Get a LSD, flywheel, exhaust, and stiffer springs, motor mounts, fuel pump, stand alone computer, injectors. Thats some things that can be done .

 

[1 PHAT 5]

Well, as for the tranny, you definitely want to get a more aggressive clutch, lightened flywheel, LSD, and axles. Better fluids and a Tranny cooler would be nice to add for reliability. This is what I have planned for my car before I even build the motor or add boost. This alone will make the car faster and drive better.

I am not sure what other products are out there that the P5 can use to beef up the tranny but with the above mentioned you would have a better overall unit to race with.

It also depends on how agressive you want to be. You could go and have someone build you a tranny built to handle race conditions. I know a few companies out there build stuff for hondas, mitsu's, and nissans like Level 10. I am not sure if they build anything for Mazdas but if you have enough dough anything is possbile.

As for the motor, the good thing is our motor likes boost. You can go all forged internals, billet crank, bigger /better Oil pan with Oil cooler ( which someone on this forum is building, can't remember who ). There's also things you can do to you're valve train to improve power. New cams and anything you can do to lighten the valvetrain will help with overall power. You can also get a Intake manifold off the MSP or have a custom one built. You will also need to upgrade the radiator, hoses, and all the electonics that you will need to harness all the new power you have.

One more thing, if you don't have a suspension setup in place, all this power won't help much. You can setup your susp. for DRAG, Roadcourse, or make it adjustable ( most expenisive )so you can have the best of both worlds. You have to choose.

You have to have a goal though and make it for you, not beating someone on the street. Always remember that around the corner there is always someone faster and it takes allot of money to go fast.

Have a plan and stick to it. Don't cut corners.

My plan is simple:
Suspension
Tranny
Built motor
Boost

Now there are lots of little steps for each step but this is how I go about it. You have to figure out what is best for you.

The other steps are non-power related:
Interior
I.C.E.
Exterior


This is my plan. You need to have a plan and an end goal to make the best use of you're time and money.

 

[Rich24km]

sure....ask aricjm15 about the sti (with a REALLY bad driver) he beat at the track in his '96 NA neon.....

hence the really bad driver part. Don't sleep on the WRX. I'm telling you I thought they sucked until my friend took me for a ride. He can launch it at 5,500 RPMS and almost snap your neck. Theres a video online of a guy in a non STI modded WRX that beat a vette 3 times straight, then the vette drivers friend knocked him out so he wouldn't have to pay the 500 bucks.

 

[1 PHAT 5]

my friend has a WRX with 500+ HP on his stock motor. He has upgraded the fuel injectors, turbo, up pipe, down pipe, 4" catless exhaust, and standalone, running 32 psi. His car is no joke. I know he has done a little more but won't tell. But the point is he is on stock internals etc. Those engines i believe are already forged from what he told me, and he's about to upgrade to an even bigger turbo and go with a front mount setup. He has alot of money, and runs 11s with only like 4,000 in upgrades. Granted he paid a little cheaper because he has a hook up. My point being; that car has a hell of alot higher ceiling for cheaper than what its gonna take you in the long run. If he throws down 4,000 you're toast. That also doesn't mean he shouldn't respect your car. My friend loves my car and he can smoke the s*** out of me. I just always say hey mine looks better .

You're right on the money. Hard to compare the WRX and P5. There not in the same class. Subaru has put so much R&D into that car, hard for a p5 to compete. Hard to beat all wheel drive too. The thing is, you can go out and get a WRX and build it up and it's like so many others out there on the road. There are far less p5's built out there running boost that can compete heard to head with the WRX. It really comes down to what you want. Don't get me wrong, I think the WRX is an awesome car, especially for the price, I would rather have my P5 even if (when it is done) it is only a 14 sec car. Would surprise lots of people I know.

As for the costs involved, the WRX is 24k+ new and well the P5 is cheap now.
So you either pay up front or at the back end.

 

[Familia323]

I would think that the lighter weighted P5 with the 210whp Hiboost kit would be able to beat a stock WRX anyday? Or am I missing something? Dont WRXs only have 220ish to the wheels? and dont they weigh near 3200lbs?

 

[NeverSober]

my friend has a WRX with 500+ HP on his stock motor. He has upgraded the fuel injectors, turbo, up pipe, down pipe, 4" catless exhaust, and standalone, running 32 psi. His car is no joke. I know he has done a little more but won't tell. But the point is he is on stock internals etc. Those engines i believe are already forged from what he told me, and he's about to upgrade to an even bigger turbo and go with a front mount setup. He has alot of money, and runs 11s with only like 4,000 in upgrades. Granted he paid a little cheaper because he has a hook up. My point being; that car has a hell of alot higher ceiling for cheaper than what its gonna take you in the long run. If he throws down 4,000 you're toast. That also doesn't mean he shouldn't respect your car. My friend loves my car and he can smoke the s*** out of me. I just always say hey mine looks better .

Ok ill call bs on this. $4000 does not equal 300 hp mroe then stock on a wrx, for that any car. And there is no ******* way in hell he still has the stock internals......and how many tranny's has he gone through, no way he's running 11's on the original. WRX's are alot weaker then most think. Just wont happen bud...sorry, lay off the crack.


Chris

 

[NeverSober]

Oh and I have taken stock wrx from a dig with spicymchaggis in my car, running 13 psi, with a downpipe, axle back, intake, and thats it. I have taken a wrx with an ecu and intake at 12 psi from a roll witha freidn in the car also. They arent that fast. You should be able to take one with the hiboost kit.


Chris

 

[1 PHAT 5]

I would think that the lighter weighted P5 with the 210whp Hiboost kit would be able to beat a stock WRX anyday? Or am I missing something? Dont WRXs only have 220ish to the wheels? and dont they weigh near 3200lbs?

I would think a stock WRX compared to a boosted P5 would be a close race. Take into account the AWD. If you wanted to make it a no contest race, then something along the lines of my previous post would be in order.

 

[Familia323]

Ok ill call bs on this. $4000 does not equal 300 hp mroe then stock on a wrx, for that any car. And there is no ******* way in hell he still has the stock internals......and how many tranny's has he gone through, no way he's running 11's on the original. WRX's are alot weaker then most think. Just wont happen bud...sorry, lay off the crack.


Chris

ehh My cousin's husbands brother is running 11.8s in his WRX and he has the stock tranny... He doesn't have the boost cranked up all the time.. but he still has the original tranny.